Netiquette

[Catalpa]

[quote user="irnbru"]As someone once said, "It's incredible! It's absolutely incredible! In fact, it's so incredible it's almost unbelievable." [/quote]

The heat's getting to you, isn't it? [:)]

[quote user="irnbru"]At 1537 today, i asked (quite genuinely) how some common understanding of "netiquette" had grown within the anarchy of the web. Now, some 9 hours later, I find I have provoked 4 pages of ....well, tosh really. Entertaining, surely, but tosh nonetheless. [/quote]

Well duh, sir: the complete disdain showed for your original question amply demonstrates the anarchy of the web. Enjoy, revel in the anarchy-ness.

[quote user="irnbru"] And I'm none the wiser about the evolution of netiquette![/quote]

Netiquette is just personal behaviour and politeness guidelines on the web. Thou shalt not

- shout (TYPE IN CAPS)

- flame (be particularly rude about someone or their views)

- get pointlessly offended (casually produced words take on a different aspect when there's not a face saying them)

- be pointlessly or deliberately provocative

there are others, maybe about 20 - just google netiquette.

Taking this generally accepted list of guidelines to behaviour which have been around for probably 10 - 15 years, specific industries, websites and companies tailor them to produce their own codes of conduct or behaviour. Yes, there is organic growth or evolution because back in 1996, Thou Shalt Not Sell My Personal Details thus allowing Vast Qualtities of Spam to Descend Upon my Inbox wasn't necessary. It is now and many websites make a point of guaranteeing our personal details won't be sold.

I don't know if there are international conferences of forum admins and moderators - but if there are and nice hotels, good food and swimming pools are involved, maybe that's why there's a Moderator Waiting List. Mods... is there anything you'd like to share with us?

How does awareness grow? You're reading this on a forum. Even if you don't read terms and conditions before participating in websites, you're reading this. Is that knowledge acquisition by osmosis?

Anarchy on the web? Maybe the perceived sense of anarchy grew up because it was mostly scientists / academics, the defence and airline industries using it to begin with and they were free of regulations and made it up as they went along. But it's now big business, it's becoming better regulated (leaving aside the difficult issue of porn, racist, etc sites) there are even landmark legal cases where forum owners are sued by people who have been libelled on their sites. Then there's Google being asked to provide information on the searches keywords (I think it was?)

As I said, Netiquette is mostly a code of politeness on the web so whatever the perceived rights and wrongs of the embryonic French forum that someone is spending personal time and effort to get started, a big commercial publishing company like Archant would look pretty mean allowing this forum to happyslap it. There are other Anglo regional commercial sites which, by contrast, are fair and enjoyable game. [6][6]

[Eslier]

This thread has now drifted so far off topic. It has now been locked.

If you wish you can continue this sort of disciusiion within the "lounge" but please do your best to keep threads elsewhere within the forum on topic.

[Ex Forum Admin]

Moved to 'Lounge' and suggest thread is kept on topic.

James

 

[Dick Smith]

Thank you, James. Good decision.

Not sure if we can keep it on-topic, though. Can you split this off into two threads?

[Ex Forum Admin]

[quote user="catalpa"]

As I said, Netiquette is mostly a code of politeness on the web so whatever the perceived rights and wrongs of the embryonic French forum that someone is spending personal time and effort to get started, a big commercial publishing company like Archant would look pretty mean allowing this forum to happyslap it. There are other Anglo regional commercial sites which, by contrast, are fair and enjoyable game. [6][6]

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From my point of view I wouldn't want to be the type of webmaster that had 'wars' with other websites, maybe it's an acknowledgement of the work involved and others doing the same as myself. Webs a big place...different sites bring different perspectives and information...and that's what the webs about. IMHO.

[Miki]

I have just got up, I had to sit down for a bit.

Thought I read a post that was wonderfully  reasonable....I

did................Bravo James et bon courage ou est il, bon

continuation ?

[Just Katie]

Little wonder Chris Head doesn't know what you are talking about Miki.  You are talking Miklish Riddles again.  I FIND THAT VERY POOR NETIQUETTE.

[Miki]

Don't shout at me, I know (and Reechhearrgh does) what I meant...oh do try to keep up Katie !

[Dick Smith]

Lone Ranger, yes and no.

Our school is very firm on traditional English teaching. When I told a Year 7 class last week to stop beginning sentences with pronouns they understood what I meant. Which sums it up, really, they are bombarded with examples of poor English (including textspeak) and here am I insisting on very formal English to write history essays. We are doing something very precise with language when we try to convey complex concepts.  That is a tension.

But look at what we see on this and other forums from adults. Poor spelling I can often excuse, there is such a thing as dyslexia after all, and some words are difficult, especially if you are not someone who uses words a lot. I have real trouble with seperate and paraffin. But a post with no (or minimal) punctuation is just a message that the poster doesn't much care, especially for the reader. A post in or containing txtspk is an abomination.

So I feel a bit of a Lone Ranger in many areas, really. But look back at my post about how proud I was of those kids who won prizes at the Young Entrepreneurs day. There are many young people who still hold to old-fashioned values in many things, they may even be a majority. We just need to recognise and acclaim them. Which is what we do.

I work with many excellent young teachers who do not compromise on standards, more power to them, the world is moving in their direction.

[Juswundrin]

"I have real trouble with seperate"

As I always did until I saw it on "Sesame Street"; there's a rat in separate... never forgotten it since.

(...mmm, should I admit I was in my thirties at the time..?)

[Dick Smith]

That's cool, I'll try to remember that. Thanks.

[Cassis]

[quote user="Dick Smith"] A post in or containing txtspk is an abomination ...

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... and thankfully very rare. 

I know that there are those who believe that it is okay to send emails packed with spelling and grammatical errors because email is a fast, zappy medium and therefore, the logic runs, you should not waste time on fixing spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.  The same can be seen in forums where members are keen to get their post in.

I am often guilty of posting messages with typos because I am a rubbish typist and I tend to post without reading my messages through.  But as soon as I see them on screen I just can't leave them to hang out there in shame - I have to go back and fix them.  I can't help it.  It's the way I was taught.

I have no problem with accepting others' grammatical and spelling errors, because I understand that others on the forum aren't as anal as I am (in this respect, anyway!).  That said, if such an error leads to an interesting possible misinterpretation or double-entendre then I do find it hard to resist a comment!  And therein lies one good reason why we have formal rules of spelling and grammar - because without them communication frequently becomes clouded and open to misinterpretation. 

Right, that's enough pontificating - I'm off for a glass.

[geek]

Please don't say you can't start a sentence with 'And'.

[SaligoBay]

[quote user="Cassis"]Please don't say you can't start a sentence with 'And'.[/quote]

Dick, Cassis has asked really nicely.  You won't say it to her, will you?

 

[Cassis]

I'm ready.

[Hoddy]

"Please don't say you can't start a sentence with 'And'"

You really shouldn't, Cassis, but D. H. Lawrence did it all the time.

Hoddy

[Cassis]

Witness One in my defence, m'lud.

[Miki]

[quote user="Cassis"]Witness One in my defence, m'lud.

[/quote]

And that literary member from Saint Malo doos !

So that's one and  a half [:D]

[Chris Head]

HEY GUYS! This forum is for free and there's sooo much bitching about it. I find that impolite. If Leclerc gave me a free leg of lamb I'd just be delighted, I'd cook it and eat it and say thankyou but I wouldn't complain if I cooked it wrong.

Chris 

[SaligoBay]

[quote user="Chris Head"]

HEY GUYS! This forum is for free and there's sooo much bitching about it. I find that impolite. If Leclerc gave me a free leg of lamb I'd just be delighted, I'd cook it and eat it and say thankyou but I wouldn't complain if I cooked it wrong.

Chris 

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But you wouldn't expect to get banned from Leclerc stores because you cooked it wrong, would you?  [:D]

[Missy]

>>>...  there's only one way. .....Working class lads given a good basic education which we then used as a basis for a lot of self-learning. I left school with 3 'O' levels.......Read a lot, read everything, watch TV documentaries, don't ever assume that you can't understand anything, because you can. Understand anything, I mean. Take every opportunity to expand your knowledge and skills in all areas.... In reality most people are defined by barriers they set themselves.... and with the right encouragement they can do a LOT more than they think.<<<

I wholeheartedly agree with Dick! especially the bit about people defining themselves (or being defined) by their OWN barriers and stopping at that. All gates/barriers/doors are meant to be opened! I don't understand people not taking (and not wanting) the chance to explore what opportunities are on offer on that other side... It is a wonderful world out there ...

One of my mantra is : 'The only person stopping you from doing anything, my girl, is you!'

Last week I sent a group of pupils to a Specialist Schools Trust Young Entrepreneurs day at a local University, Year 9s (14). We were the only inner-city school, ............. they won not only the Student of the Day, but also the runner-up. I'm pretty pleased with that - that is my work. Getting young people to see their own potential and build on it to move out of the back streets ..... make themselves happy. And teaching them proper punctuation is just one small part of that process. Just one very small part that I can do.<<<

Dick! my congratulations for helping that group of youngsters! Nomination for 'Teacher of the Year' award in the post!

[Deimos]

[quote user="SaligoBay"][quote user="Chris Head"]

HEY GUYS! This forum is for free and there's sooo much bitching about it. I find that impolite. If Leclerc gave me a free leg of lamb I'd just be delighted, I'd cook it and eat it and say thankyou but I wouldn't complain if I cooked it wrong.

Chris 

[/quote]

But you wouldn't expect to get banned from Leclerc stores because you cooked it wrong, would you?  [:D]

[/quote]

True, but, if after cooking it badly, I went back to the store, complained loudly and continuously, driving other customers away, annoying others in the store, etc. I might not be surprised if the suggested I visited a different store in future.

Apart from which, if I get anything that needs cooking it’s a dead cert I will mess up cooking it (I can just about manage a pizza on a good day).

Ian

[Iceni]

[quote user="Dick Smith"]Only half a bottle? You need to get some practice in. Or a 5 litre box...
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Or a 22 litre.

John

not

[Iceni]

[quote user="Dick Smith"]K3 - "Really very honestly" - that's a list, and what do we do with words in a list? Come on, we did that last week.

That's irony, by the way. A bit of a joke at Katie's expense. Not meant seriously.

If I wanted to nitpick the punctuation and spelling on this forum I wouldn't get any sleep at all...
[/quote]

Dick, is a preposition still a bad thing to end a sentence with ? Or has that rule gone the way of speeling et cetera ?

John

not

[Miki]

[quote]

SB

But you wouldn't expect to get banned from Leclerc stores because you cooked it wrong, would you?  [:D]

[/quote]

[quote] deimos

True, but, if after cooking it badly, I went back to the store,

complained loudly and continuously, driving other customers away,

annoying others in the store, etc. I might not be surprised if the

suggested I visited a different store in future.[/quote]

So who are the Leclerc clients that drove away then. Please enlighten us all.

I wait to see the day you are asked to go to Intermarche and how many

Leclerc clients will complain about your parting. Mind you, there was

actually rejoicing at your departure from another store. I am

afraid you would not see clients leave a store by someone complaining,

you would in fact get an almighty crowd cheering the person on.

[SaligoBay]

Miki, you're starting to talk in parables!  [:D]

Have you been drinking too much?   Are you completely parabolic?