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[quote user="Dick Smith"]Well yes and no. Perhaps not the most pressing thing for us to discuss here, but a very important thing nonetheless, and brought up, and treated, as a joke. However I seriously object to your description of it, and by implication those people who think that a proper use of language is worthwhile. Seriously.
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Dick would you please put that into English I can understand?

Thanks, Chris

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Not in the slightest Dick, I was a little rude to you a few days back, I was wrong, conceded, apologised and edited accordingly. I simply don't understand much of your 'sous entendu'. I don't really understand why people who are obviously very intelligent and literate debate such small stuff, and it really is small stuff.

Chris

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[quote user="Dick Smith"]NO! It isn't <lot's>!

Lots is plural.
Lot's is something belonging to Lot (possibly a pillar of salt).

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Or, of course, the abbreviated form of "Lot is " or "Lot was" (yes, I know you know that, Dick. It might be news to others.)

Why do some people belittle things they don't know or can't do. I wouldn't dream of criticising your carving, Chris, although I can't do it myself. If you're the sort of person who takes a pride in the correct use of language and believe that it matters, you can get a bit cheesed off when others are rude about it. For those of us who are, or were, English teachers this is part of our life's work, same as your carving is to you.

Anyway, you teach us how to carve and we'll teach you how to punctuate, there's an offer you can't refuse!

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If you called my work a load of **** Dick I would want to know why.....you wouldn;t offend me in the slightest, I would desperately want to hear from you what you think I could do to move forward and improve myself. Truth never offended me, I couldn't live or work without truth, I crave the truth and I live my truth every day, on the edge and living the dream...whatever that might be. I so wish I understood more of what clever people like you and Miki are saying but I just dont. My communication is a natural one. I love the power of people but just dont understand the words of folk like you. I want to.

Chris

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So glad I didn't post earlier, I must be one of the worse members ever for dodgey spelling, punctuation and anything else needed to make a piece of writing make sense.  I'm hoping this is the reason why hardly anyone replies to my posts.
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If you really want to, Chris, then there's only one way. Miki and I weren't born with silver spoons (at least I wasn't and from what I know of him he wasn't either). Working class lads given a good basic education which we then used as a basis for a lot of self-learning. I left school with 3 'O' levels...

Read a lot, read everything, watch TV documentaries, don't ever assume that you can't understand anything, because you can. Understand anything, I mean. Take every opportunity to expand your knowledge and skills in all areas. (I spent today struggling towards making an Adirondack chair...)

In reality most people are defined by barriers they set themselves (I'm teaching now, sorry) and with the right encouragement they can do a LOT more than they think.

Last week I sent a group of pupils to a Specialist Schools Trust Young Entrepreneurs day at a local University, Year 9s (14). We were the only inner-city school, the only school without blazers, the only school to send black kids. None of our kids had ever spoken in public before.

After a seminar on making a presentation they won not only the Student of the Day, but also the runner-up. Both were black boys, you know, the menace of the streets in South London. The team won, too.

I'm pretty pleased with that - that is my work. Getting young people to see their own potential and build on it to move out of the back streets of Wandsworth or the tower blocks of Roehampton to make real and meaningful lives, make a contribution, make themselves happy. And teaching them proper punctuation is just one small part of that process. Just one very small part that I can do.

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As someone once said, "It's incredible! It's absolutely incredible! In fact, it's so incredible it's almost unbelievable."

At 1537 today, i asked (quite genuinely) how some common understanding of "netiquette" had grown within the anarchy of the web. Now, some 9 hours later, I find I have provoked 4 pages of ....well, tosh really. Entertaining, surely, but tosh nonetheless.

And I'm none the wiser about the evolution of netiquette!
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[quote user="Dick Smith"]Katie, two adjectives make it a list. Honest. And now I'm too worn out to care...
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Can't win here.  I get picked up on things, then I ask where I went wrong and end up being on the receiving end of attitude. 

Nothing's changed from my schooldays really.  And they wonder why I used to get a little bit lippy now and again.

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Here's some more tosh to add to the rest then.

 

Chris,

 Dick knows of my beginnings, so do a  few others. I come from a long line of old

time costermongers and my step Dad, came up to smoke to escape the mines, only to

be sent to war. No airs no graces, coming from a large council estate chocked

full of community spirit. We were bought up to look neither up nor down on

people and one little glimpse of any pretensions saw people rib you

mercilessly.

 Now imagine this, I some how

gained a place at a Grammar

school. Mum was out of her head with worry where the money was coming

from, that

now puts me under pressure to do well, to cover the cost of all the new

uniform

and worst of all, I have got to ride through the estate (and we lived

at the

far end close to the railway lines and about as far as one could cycle

to get out of the estate) in a blinking purple uniform with a flipping

yellow bobble on the top of the cap and yellow braiding all around the

collar

and cuffs on the jacket, whilst all me mates are going off to the local

secondary school at the same time. Oh they never cracked up much with

laughter,

oh no…oye…purple people eater, nice cap, are Jimmy Clitheroe & Bunter in your

class !! Ho

bluddy ho, still, they got fed up after two years !!

So what I am saying, education for me,

come at a price, my

Mum asked me if I would prefer to go with all the other lads to the

local

secondary school and believe me, the temptation to say “yep, I 

reckon so” especially after

seeing the uniform I was going to have to wear, was huge. But my

Sisters threatened

me with all kinds of ugly ways to die if I didn’t go to the new school

and

so, that was me set for school in a strange area and away from me old

mates. I

will say now, in all my years there. I never really spent much time with anyone from that

school, different

area and I guess the difference also being in how one was brought up. I

of course, naturally  hung around with the old crowd in the

evenings and at weekends.  Some 40 years later, those years

still get brought up among friends of over 50 years standing.

 I see many people on here who appear  far superior educated than

I. Bizarrely, it appears that I left school with more passes than Dick, yet it

is obvious he understands English and of course other subjects a lot more than

I.  His vocation has carved (no pun intended)

his learning power and as he says, any day you can learn a bit more than you

knew the day before. Reading

is a powerful tool, learning from what one reads can shape ones overall

education greatly. I never took my education in to the work environment

afterwards. What I did after school could have been done by any one of my

friends from the secondary school but looking back, sure it put me in good

stead for a life among a very varied mixture of folks.

[quote] I spent today struggling towards making an Adirondack chair...[/quote]

 Now here’s an example, I haven’t got a clue what that means,

should I google it and look big or tell you the truth ? Well obvious now what I

have done !

[quote] In reality most people are defined by barriers they set themselves [/quote]

 That is what is often brought up when with friends we

discuss our past. I look at my mates and at a rough guess, I would say I was

probably among the bottom 20%  of earners, or holder of wealth. But when we talk, they can often look at me for answers, not that I  will have the answer but they kind of think I might !

So I am

not rich in the normal meaning  but maybe

truly rich in the way I feel when the lads now give me full credit for going

through it all to get educated. Mind you, I often wish perhaps I might now like

to swap lives with people, well,  like

you who have a great gift or friends who went on to the city and retired 5

years ago and live almost permanently in the sun. We are all naturally green-eyed

sometimes at the life of others but do you know, I have had a few who would

like to swap lives with me !! Give ‘em a few days here and they will run back to

their former life !!

Friends, family and health, beats a Royal flush (and a bit

of money is useful)

Et voila, a little

bit of history to show I am basically a simpleton, with yearning hopes

of retirement in luxury. Oh please....Just six numbers and the house

gets sold,
Get the shades, get the car,  we've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, ...

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[quote user="KathyC"]

I don't mean to do Dick's work for him, but that's why the good lord gave us punctuation!

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[quote user="KathyC"]... I do think it matters. So does Lynn Truss. Wish I'd thought of writing a bl**** best seller about punctuation. Mutter, mutter, walks off into the night.[/quote]

Kathy, Your book would have been about as good as hers.[:-))]

I find it useful to blame SB for lots of things, but after she sent me a load of apostrophes I have been more apostrophe aware.

YIKES: Is there one missing?

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Dick, can I ask you a serious question? Do you ever feel a bit like the Lone Ranger at work? I only ask because, having on several occasions spoken to my kids' teachers about their appalling spelling and punctuation, I keep being told (with an only slightly apologetic grin) that it doesn't really matter[:@]. Now I just happen (in case the tone of this post leaves you in any doubt) to think it does. I think it matters a lot. I struggle with the fact that GCSE Maths appears these days to be much more difficult than I ever remember from "O" Level days, and yet it seems perfectly acceptable for kids to  get to GCSE with what looks like a writing age of 3..................... It makes me very sad. I've spent a number of years in jobs where I've been responsible for recruiting graduates. Lots of them couldn't spell. It didn't really show them in a good light. Can I borrow an Eeek from you, or is this not an Eeek moment??

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KathyC - has anybody ever pointed out that sentences need subjects (see quotes in Tresco's post above)?

Sorry, don't mean it, just having a Dick Smith moment (or sharpening-up my sub-editing training). [:D]

With topics like this, who needs that other forum anyway?

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Nice story Miki, it's funny where life can take us.

Dick, every day I work is a new experience to me, I'm one of those who don't have any boundaries or rules, I learn each and every day I carve or make a piece of furniture.

London, I'd have to be persuaded! I can't stand towns or cities! I carve poles here and transport them, so yes it could be done, commision paid in wine!

Chris

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[quote user="Dotty Trois"]  I'm hoping this is the reason why hardly anyone replies to my posts.[/quote]

 

Dotty, it is more likely to be that you always make considered, balanced, non-controversial (is that a list?) comments. No one ever replies to those. [:D]

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well i thought id put my 2 pence in. 2day nobodee speeks english like b4. now we speek this gr8 new yoofspeek language thingy.  when u r young these days u dont need 2 punktuate or use BIG LETTERS u just type it how it sounds no what i mean?

this is how u show how clever u r.

 

.....can you get a degree in that??

 Netiquette?  Also a foreign language to me, but I'm good at languages and willing to learn!

[:D]

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