woolybanana Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 The original French were wiped out by all those invaders post the Romans, so really, they are just a mixture of the waves that came from the East, and boy there were a lot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyA Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Yes I think the "pathological fear of cultural invasion" chimes with what I am hearing. Perhaps also having to say "English speaking" or "English language" is too upsetting, so Anglo-Saxon is used as it has the hint of derision required.Funnily enough I can see in the colouring and features of some of our Norman neighbours a hint of the Viking and some of their patois farming words sound like English words, even though the modern French is totally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 More thread drift![:-))]Rape! Circumstantial evidence!http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13594762 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Even more thread drift!DSK starts a fashion trend!http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/31/mahmoud-abdel-salam-omar-arrested_n_868886.html[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Animal Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Still not proof of rape though is it! [:D](that was in reply to your first post) Re your second post, it's starting to be epidemic and this one is seventy-four! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Well, to put my toes into this particular bain chaud, where are all these women DSK isn supposed to have troubled or attempted to trouble over the years, and why have they not come forward to add to his woes? Apart from a couple of well known cases, there seem to be no new ones, which being said, I have not yet read the French press this lovely morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Animal Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Be careful what you say in this bain chaud, or you might get a douche froide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Did you really believe that they will come forward at the moment. IF they had I would have been surprised, after seeing the way the two women who have come forward have been treated.It will be later, IF he is found guilty, that we will hear some more, of that I am sure. I do not believe in isolated incidents, and his 'friends' and those who know him have alluded to inproper behaviour for some time.There are many reasons why people do not automatically speak out and it isn't always simple cowardice. Sometimes it is because they will cause hurt 'now' to those that they love or their friends, or career etc etc and they cannot harm those they care about or their jobs. Life, helas, is often very complicated.And yes, come on in, the water is warm, not hot! Maybe a jacuzzi rather than a bath, what with the water being a little more agitated more than usual.[Www] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalpa Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote user="idun"]There are many reasons why people do not automatically speak out and it isn't always simple cowardice. Sometimes it is because they will cause hurt 'now' to those that they love or their friends, or career etc etc and they cannot harm those they care about or their jobs. [/quote]Yes, exactly. Or even more simply it can be because they have put incidents behind them... though no doubt not forgotten them... and often because coming forward with details of an incident that portrays them as a "victim" isn't how they want others to perceive them or how they want to perceive themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 With friends like these:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392463/Vladimir-Putin-claims-Dominique-Strauss-Khan-victim-conspiracy-force-out.html?ito=feeds-newsxml(EDIT : Just in case anybody thinks I regularly look at the MoL, it popped up on DSK latest on Google.[Www]) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote user="cooperlola"](EDIT : Just in case anybody thinks I regularly look at the MoL, it popped up on DSK latest on Google.[Www])[/quote]Yeah, yeah,yeah. And you've never shopped in Aldi. [:P] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sam Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote user="cooperlola"]With friends like these:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392463/Vladimir-Putin-claims-Dominique-Strauss-Khan-victim-conspiracy-force-out.html?ito=feeds-newsxml(EDIT : Just in case anybody thinks I regularly look at the MoL, it popped up on DSK latest on Google.[Www])[/quote]Tut, tut, tut, sounds familiar! Back in December he rushed to the defense of Julian Assange![:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 So, just to sum up, for my feeeeeble brain, DSK was arrested in NY after allegedly doing something dirty to a maid in a hotel and was then arraigned and bailed eventually. That he appeared in handcuffs has upset some people as that cant happen in France, though it is what happens in the USA. The Americans thought he might do a flit as happened with a certain nasty little film maker.Some French people have defended him, saying that he couldn't possibly have done that, but a couple of ladies have come forward saying he tried it on with them. Others say that he was known as a bit of a skirt raiser.We then seem to have digressed into a debate about whether French men are chauvinistic skirt chasers or not, which seems to have started a certain amount of acrimony. As well as some effort to define the difference between flirting and going too far.Is this about where we are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Animal Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Second Banker Arrested on Sex Assault Claims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote user="woolybanana"]Is this about where we are?[/quote]I'm in Netto on the iphone at the mo but I'd go along with that if we're leaving out the toys and dummies and the bruised egos.Until the trial it's difficult to see where we can take it much further, save for quoting random media snippets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Oops, sorry Christine my comments weren't aimed at you as you posted whilst I was composing. [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote user="woolybanana"]... As well as some effort to define the difference between flirting and going too far.Is this about where we are?[/quote]Still waiting on an answer on that last point... [:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I don't whether to laugh or cry...http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/opinion/31iht-edcohen31.html?_r=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote user="woolybanana"]So, just to sum up, for my feeeeeble brain, DSK was arrested in NY after allegedly doing something dirty to a maid in a hotel and was then arraigned and bailed eventually. That he appeared in handcuffs has upset some people as that cant happen in France, though it is what happens in the USA. The Americans thought he might do a flit as happened with a certain nasty little film maker.Some French people have defended him, saying that he couldn't possibly have done that, but a couple of ladies have come forward saying he tried it on with them. Others say that he was known as a bit of a skirt raiser.We then seem to have digressed into a debate about whether French men are chauvinistic skirt chasers or not, which seems to have started a certain amount of acrimony. As well as some effort to define the difference between flirting and going too far.Is this about where we are?[/quote] Maybe you should have jumped in and said all that about 40 pages ago[Www]. For me it was not flirting and going too far that was being discussed though? So was it? I thought it was a sexual act(s) with or without consent that were[blink]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just john Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote user="woolybanana"] Is this about where we are?[/quote]Not quite Wools, don't forget he must be innocent until proven guilty, and you have to stand up and be counted in your comments, and where are you on PC'ness[Www] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote user="just john "][quote user="woolybanana"] Is this about where we are?[/quote]Not quite Wools, don't forget he must be innocent until proven guilty, and you have to stand up and be counted in your comments[Www][/quote]Please sir, can I sit down to be counted, I am epuisée tonight, je ne peux plus[:-))] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 "Innocent until proven guilty" is very clear and fair from a judicial point of view, but does it follow that individuals can't have an opinion or even express it? [8-)]My personal opinion is unlikely to sway the jury one way or another, so I should be able to say that I think the likelihood is that is he guilty, if that's what I think, without having to duck... shoudn't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote user="woolybanana"]So, just to sum up, for my feeeeeble brain, DSK was arrested in NY after allegedly doing something dirty to a maid in a hotel and was then arraigned and bailed eventually. That he appeared in handcuffs has upset some people as that cant happen in France, though it is what happens in the USA. The Americans thought he might do a flit as happened with a certain nasty little film maker.Some French people have defended him, saying that he couldn't possibly have done that, but a couple of ladies have come forward saying he tried it on with them. Others say that he was known as a bit of a skirt raiser.We then seem to have digressed into a debate about whether French men are chauvinistic skirt chasers or not, which seems to have started a certain amount of acrimony. As well as some effort to define the difference between flirting and going too far.Is this about where we are?[/quote]Isn't the discussion partly about whether its any body elses business whether or not someone is a 'skirt chaser' and the different attitudes in France and the Uk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just john Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Of course Clair, I may not necessarily agree with you, but I would defend your right to speak; do you think that it might be a good idea to hear all of the facts from both sides beforehand though?[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote user="just john "]Of course Clair, I may not necessarily agree with you, but I would defend your right to speak; do you think that it might be a good idea to hear all of the facts from both sides beforehand though?[:)][/quote]You mean I cannot have an opinion on what I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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