woolybanana Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 So, it decides to dump a number of experienced and slightly past-it freelance presenters and give a programme a new look and and new timeslot. By what right should they have a claim for compensation? It is a ridiculous abuse of public funds that these people should have a nice fat handout based on their age.Time the court system changed.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12161045 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyF Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Unfortunately it's almost always the older female staff (however well-known) who get the push while the men (John Craven at 68!) get to stay on..... [:(] Let's hear it for the wrinklies of both sexes. [:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardian Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 [quote user="woolybanana"]Time the court system changed.[/quote]Sorry WB, but Employment Tribunals exist to uphold the Law (whether one agrees with it or not). They are often / usually the only recourse that individuals have against 'cavalier' employers.I didn't think that she would win, but I'm glad that she did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thibault Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Can't stand the woman, but I am glad she has won. It is a bit odd that older men (and their wrinkles) managed to hang on to their jobs, whereas the same doesn't seem to happen to women presenters. Remember all that fuss about Moira Stewart, who once she got into her middle fifties was "let go" as a TV news reader in spite of a campaign to keep her. When the BBC finally found a new job for her - it was to read news on the RADIO where her older, but still attractive, face could not be seen.Double standards, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Woolly: I have to disagree with you.Ageism has been a breach of employment law for some time: the devil is usually in proving same.Clearly, this woman has: and bully for her.Hopefully the now established precedent will make other employers think twice.A present paradox exists: governments in both UK and France determined everyone must work far longer.Nice idea: unfortunately, all wrinklies cannot be greeters at Tesco.My wife, who looks, behaves and works 20 years younger than her actual age and after a very successful City career, suffered constant ageism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 As someone who experienced personally the mass dumping of the 50+ workers in the UK ten-fifteen years ago I fully support anyone who wins tribunals on age discrimination.Take these firms to the cleaners.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzer Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I wonder if the producers advise the male presenters "perhaps it's time for a botox injection" Doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 If she is Freelance surely she was offering her services as a self employed person . Not on the payroll of the BBC so they did not in fact "Sack " her ? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 It was the fact that she was freelance that interested me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucylastic Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Speaking as one who is entirely wrinkle free, I think that those in charge of producing TV programmes should be the ones to choose who fronts their shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulT Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Employment rules change when someone who is not directly employed has worked for 2 years + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 I naively thought that self-employed was self-employed and that the employer could get rid of those workers at the end of the contract period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pommier Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I'm sure that the BBC were aware of the type of employment contract they'd entered into!As has been said, if the government want women to work until they're 60....... sorry 65..........sorry 68, then they'd better toughen up the law so companies don't try to get rid of older workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 If anyone watches French TV they will be aware of of the meteo ladies of the Fr chaines, most of whom, with one or two notable exceptions, are ladies of a certain age, the eldest being well over 60 I reckon. But, they are impeccably presented, beautifully dressed, coiffed and made up, a credit to French chic. Does the BBC go to the same trouble with the ladies who head up their programmes, I wonder, or do they go for the 'natural' look? Which works best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 [IMG]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:8fyjSKvUez-DXM:http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/38917/evelyne-380.jpg[/IMG]Evelyne Dhéliat looks 10 years younger since her "répulpage", not so sure about the hair though.[:)] She is 62 and was born in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 good genes and bone structure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I would trample over Julia Bradbury (the replacement) to even get a sniff of Evelyne Dheliat, Miriam whatsername would not even register on my radar [;-)]I could watch Evelyne all day long even if she had the face of a 40 year old alcoholic chain smoker, someone once posted that she was pure theatre. I still cannot understand the UK obsession with anorexic bimbo weather girls.I dont agree either with the comments about wrinkles, I have only once watched HD TV and it was only for a few minutes of TF1 news, the presenter was Laurence Ferrari and I was enthralled, probably like most people watching HD for the first time to make out her wrinkles and the meches in her hair, I thought she looked all the more beautifull for it.If the TV chaines want to deberasse themselves of the trout pouting botox addicts then I for one am all for it.I cant actually recall having seen Miriam Whatsername presenting the program, having watched the tube of her press conference I can see that she would not have been memorable, in fact she reminded me of some of the wives of politicians who had just been convicted of corruption or perjury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 From ACAS"What does age discrimination cover?The Equality Act 2010 makes it unlawful to discriminate against employees, job seekers and trainees because of their age. This includes direct and indirect discrimination, harassment and victimisation. The Equality Act also:removed upper age limits on unfair dismissal and redundancy introduced a national default retirement age of 65, making compulsory retirement below 65 unlawful unless objectively justified gave all employees the right to request to work beyond 65 or any other retirement age set by the company Do these regulations cover all workers?Yes. The regulations apply to all workers, including office holders, police, barristers and partners in a business. They also cover related areas such as membership of trade organisations, the award of qualifications, the services of careers guidance organisations, employment agencies and vocational training providers, including further and higher education institutions.The regulations also cover you if you apply to an organisation for work, or if you already work for an organisation – whether you're directly employed, work under some other kind of contract, or are an agency worker. Employers are also responsible for the behaviour of their employees towards an individual working for someone else but on their premises, for example if you're in another organisation repairing a piece of equipment."From the UK Film Council:"Employment rights for freelance workers are more limited than for employees, but include: Not to be wrongfully dismissed Minimum wage To be accompanied in disciplinary and grievance hearings Working time protection Not to suffer unlawful deductions Not to have to make payments to employer Not to suffer a detriment for enforcing working time rights Not to suffer a detriment for making a protected disclosure Not to be less favourably treated on ground of fixed-term employment Protection from discrimination on grounds of sex, race, disability, religious belief and sexual orientation Equal pay" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickles Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 [quote user="Chancer"]I dont agree either with the comments about wrinkles, I have only once watched HD TV and it was only for a few minutes of TF1 news, the presenter was Laurence Ferrari and I was enthralled, probably like most people watching HD for the first time to make out her wrinkles and the meches in her hair, I thought she looked all the more beautifull for it.[/quote]I know I'm going off topic here, so I apologise in advance: when listening to Laurence Ferrari I get the impression that she lisps: do others of you notice this?RegardsPickles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Yeah! Sexy isnt it?I think I need to get out more and stop fantasising [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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