Clair Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 It hardly matters now if the defence does manage to show the arrest as being irregular (for whatever reason, be it diplomatic immunity or an arrest on technical French soil, i.e. the plane).Relying on a technicality to get him off the charges levelled against him is no defence; the damage to his stature and reputation is done.His future is in tatters regardless and the only way to begin to undo that damage is a not-guilty verdict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 And not forgetting the ensuing civil case. balance of probabilities what!!Dont forget with a jury in the big apple.[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 [quote user="Pickles"][quote user="Quillan"]I am probably being a bit naive here but if the man is, as he claims, innocent then why would he want to try and get immunity? Surely as an innocent man of such high position and also, one day wishing to be President of France, the opportunity of proving his innocence would strengthen his position no end and answer finally all his critics? 'Hiding' behind immunity, if that is what he ends up doing, does him no favours what so ever.[/quote]In his position, even if innocent, I would not wish to put my faith on justice being done, and if I could avoid having to face justice, even if I knew myself to be innocent, I would take steps to do so. We are already seeing this process being used by some as a "trial by media" - you could be found not guilty and yet still have your reputation and business dealings in tatters. The French, British and US systems are not infallible and innocent people have been locked up in the past. Equally, guilty people have got off scot-free.RegardsPickles[/quote]And just to get me up to speed; in comparison with the unanimous verdict of guilt in the U.S by a jury fill me in on the jury procedure in the Yvan Colonna case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 As 5E mentioned, I had wondered if something like that had happened. Strangely, Hotel Babylon was on last night, the maids walked out when they were told that they were not allowed to strip off and do the housekeeping for those clients who would pay to watch them work, no touching though. AND a toff tried it on with the receptionist and told her that the lower classes didn't understand when she said no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 [quote user="pachapapa"] [quote user="Pickles"][quote user="Quillan"]I am probably being a bit naive here but if the man is, as he claims, innocent then why would he want to try and get immunity? Surely as an innocent man of such high position and also, one day wishing to be President of France, the opportunity of proving his innocence would strengthen his position no end and answer finally all his critics? 'Hiding' behind immunity, if that is what he ends up doing, does him no favours what so ever.[/quote]In his position, even if innocent, I would not wish to put my faith on justice being done, and if I could avoid having to face justice, even if I knew myself to be innocent, I would take steps to do so. We are already seeing this process being used by some as a "trial by media" - you could be found not guilty and yet still have your reputation and business dealings in tatters. The French, British and US systems are not infallible and innocent people have been locked up in the past. Equally, guilty people have got off scot-free.RegardsPickles[/quote]And just to get me up to speed; in comparison with the unanimous verdict of guilt in the U.S by a jury fill me in on the jury procedure in the Yvan Colonna case.[/quote]Well a NORMAL french Cour d'assize would be 12 jurors in total; made up of the panel of 3 judges + 9 carefully selected peers[:)]; a majority verdict would suffice.So lets do the simple arithmetic; the panel of 3 judges makes 3 guilty votes; to that one must add 4 out of 9 to make a majority of 7. One should not forget that sitting on a jury together with the accompanying three magistrates is a different atmosphere from the independence of an American Jury.[:)][:)]However in the case of Yvan Colonna there will be NO PEERS at all just a panel of 9 judges.[:)][:)][:)]As a very first time special event in the Yvan Colonna trial the majority verdict of at least 5 of the 9 "jurors" will substantiated by the vote of each "juror" being supported by his/her opinion on his/her decision.Gees! Am I glad I retreated like a "wee tim'rous beastie" when they un handcuffed me from the railing.[:-))] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 OK so why were you handcuffed to a railing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5-element Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Maybe ppp was a suffragette in a previous life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 [quote user="5-element"]Maybe ppp was a suffragette in a previous life?[/quote]and yet we still got the vote.[Www] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 For a laugh you might compare this fictional case[:)]http://www.completefrance.com/cs/forums/2568636/ShowPost.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbie Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 [quote user="cooperlola"][quote user="5-element"]Maybe ppp was a suffragette in a previous life?[/quote]and yet we still got the vote.[Www][/quote]Then I assume he isn't a reincarnated suffragette.[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Ah dear, my mind works in quite different ways, I was thinking more of the scene from Father Ted where they handcuff themselves to the railings to protest against The Passion of St Tibulus, a raunchy and blasphemous film. Not that PPP would protest against such a thing I'm sure.[;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote user="idun"]OK so why were you handcuffed to a railing?[/quote]Fall out from trip to Paris for New Years Eve 1999-2000. Handcuffing people to railings is apparently a popular activity between 3 AM and 6 AM on the morning of New Year's Day. The practice is adopted to allow people who are mildly drunk or slightly unruly to be tethered until they cool down and promise to act in a proper manner. The practice saves taking any official action tying up police officers when they can be better occupied in more important matters. The handcuffing usually lasts not more than half an hour or so and is treated with equanimity and regarded as a bit of a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote user="pachapapa"][quote user="idun"]OK so why were you handcuffed to a railing?[/quote]Fall out from trip to Paris for New Years Eve 1999-2000. Handcuffing people to railings is apparently a popular activity between 3 AM and 6 AM on the morning of New Year's Day. The practice is adopted to allow people who are mildly drunk or slightly unruly to be tethered until they cool down and promise to act in a proper manner. The practice saves taking any official action tying up police officers when they can be better occupied in more important matters. The handcuffing usually lasts not more than half an hour or so and is treated with equanimity and regarded as a bit of a laugh.[/quote]WHAT! well this a new one on me. [:-))]Would I trust any french policeman to do that to me, drunk or sober, not on your life I wouldn't. New Year's Day when people are going to have their soup to finish off the eating orgy. AND it could be -20 outside, just what a drunk needs, hypothermia.I can see why it would suit them to do it, and you are obviously far more magnanimous than I am[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote user="pachapapa"][quote user="pachapapa"] [quote user="Pickles"][quote user="Quillan"]I am probably being a bit naive here but if the man is, as he claims, innocent then why would he want to try and get immunity? Surely as an innocent man of such high position and also, one day wishing to be President of France, the opportunity of proving his innocence would strengthen his position no end and answer finally all his critics? 'Hiding' behind immunity, if that is what he ends up doing, does him no favours what so ever.[/quote]In his position, even if innocent, I would not wish to put my faith on justice being done, and if I could avoid having to face justice, even if I knew myself to be innocent, I would take steps to do so. We are already seeing this process being used by some as a "trial by media" - you could be found not guilty and yet still have your reputation and business dealings in tatters. The French, British and US systems are not infallible and innocent people have been locked up in the past. Equally, guilty people have got off scot-free.RegardsPickles[/quote]And just to get me up to speed; in comparison with the unanimous verdict of guilt in the U.S by a jury fill me in on the jury procedure in the Yvan Colonna case.[/quote]Well a NORMAL french Cour d'assize would be 12 jurors in total; made up of the panel of 3 judges + 9 carefully selected peers[:)]; a majority verdict would suffice.So lets do the simple arithmetic; the panel of 3 judges makes 3 guilty votes; to that one must add 4 out of 9 to make a majority of 7. One should not forget that sitting on a jury together with the accompanying three magistrates is a different atmosphere from the independence of an American Jury.[:)][:)]However in the case of Yvan Colonna there will be NO PEERS at all just a panel of 9 judges.[:)][:)][:)]As a very first time special event in the Yvan Colonna trial the majority verdict of at least 5 of the 9 "jurors" will substantiated by the vote of each "juror" being supported by his/her opinion on his/her decision.Gees! Am I glad I retreated like a "wee tim'rous beastie" when they un handcuffed me from the railing.[:-))][/quote]Well! the verdict fell yesterday. No surprises!The opinion was collegial without any real evidence better than hearsay...which of course in a court in New York would not have been receivable. Glad to see that the defence team made a unanimous decision to continue with " pourvoi en cassation" but the impression one gets is that only a European Court of Justice will eventually cause TRUE justice to prevail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 The french assembly has lifted the privilege of parliamentary immunity in respect of Georges Tron.I presume that french deputies would therefore normally be immune from prosecution in respect of rape and sexual harassment.http://www.20minutes.fr/article/750673/georges-tron-immunite-levee-assemblee-nationale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Apparently convincing argument that DSK sublet his $ 3000 suite so the housemaid could not have recognised him.He was even more apparently set up by the DAs office who showed the housemaid pictures of DSK and then asked her to identify him in a "line-up".http://www.20minutes.fr/article/750615/affaire-dsk-avocats-contestent-identification-dsk-nafissatou-diallo#commentaires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardener Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Desperately seking loopholes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Allegedly on the day in question it sounded like on the day in question he was desparately seeking any No actually I'll not say that as it would likely be deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5-element Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Idun, are you still thinking of the Viagra theory, rather than the savonnette theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 [:-))] Not heard of the savonette theory, if it is too rude, please pm me.In fact I'll pm you.[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 [quote user="5-element"]Idun, are you still thinking of the Viagra theory, rather than the savonnette theory?[/quote]If we consider the savonnette theory, it follows that we must also consider the maid's share of responsibility (It is her job to clear up, after all.) [Www] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Hmmm but she had gone into clean up an empty room and he could have just dropped the soap! Anyway, if the savonette theory was true, what an odd man he must be, he is falling over and manages to get sexually excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 A surprise appearance of DSK tomorrow afternoon at 17:30 CET.No one knows why!!A surprise plea bargain...why now and not the 18th july.Or perhaps a breach of the conditions of his limited freedom.It is after all the DA who requests his appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araucaria Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Something to do with this report in the New York Times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audio Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 [quote user="Araucaria"]Something to do with this report in the New York Times?[/quote] Good lawyers, money does talk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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