Russethouse Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Honestly I don't know whether to laugh or cry : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-13727908 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I think that I would cry! Its all of a piece with wanting to apologise for things that happened years ago-as if we personally are responsible for the acts. There were Americans that flew with the Dambusters and they didn't find it offensive. I understand the word n****r is used by black people to each other so why the double standards? I hate that people feel the need to rewrite history because it doesn't fit in with the PC culture of today.Which bit of history will be next I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Coeur de Lion Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Does it really matter what the dog was called? The term is now deemed offensive to black people. I don't understand why they use it to each other though, but they do.And I can't really think of many movies where history has been portrayed accurately in film anyway, so this really isn't a big deal imo. Look at Braveheart and how inaccurate that was for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted June 10, 2011 Author Share Posted June 10, 2011 It depends - how many other historical facts should we alter to suit modern day sensibilities ?Plus the dog was a black lab I think, is there any evidence he was good at digging ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Coeur de Lion Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Does the name of the dog alter the story in any way? No, I don't think it does.From Dictionary.com:nig·ger [nig-er] Show IPA—Usage note The term nigger is now probably the most offensive word in English. Its degree of offensiveness has increased markedly in recent years, although it has been used in a derogatory manner since at least the Revolutionary War. Definitions 1a, 1b, and 2 represent meanings that are deeply disparaging and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense. Definition 1a, however, is sometimes used among African-Americans in a neutral or familiar way. Definition 3 is not normally considered disparaging—as in “The Irish are the niggers of Europe” from Roddy Doyle's The Commitments —but the other uses are considered contemptuous and hostile. –noun 1. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive . a. a black person. b. a member of any dark-skinned people. a. a black person. b. a member of any dark-skinned people. 2. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive . a person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc. 3. a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised.I think they are wise to change the dog's name. Could always watch the History Channel if you want more accuracy. But it's just a movie. Entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Or watch the original movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Zoff Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I can't say it bothers me what they call a dog in a film.But I have noticed that American productions often have people referring to "coons", which I gather is an alternative for racoons. It doesn't seem to stop British TV or cinemas showing them, despite the word being considered offensive in the UK. Presumably, American opinion is more important than British. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Coeur de Lion Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 The main reason to make a movie is to make money. If you alienate much of your audience with certain words, then you are going to make less money. This particular word is very bad right now.Plus America has a very dirty history regarding the blacks and slavery, their civil war was the result of it.Does anyone use the word coon nowadays? Not heard that term in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherman Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 It’s a little ironic at one time one could use the N word but the F word was considered extremely offensive. Now it seems to me that the F word is nearly obligatory but the N word is considered offensive.Maybe in 20 years time it will flip back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Figger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I lived near RAF Scampton and in 1963 found the stolen Officers Mess silver that had been hidden in a forest. But I wander from the post, I bet with such a screen writer there will be a homosexulist content in the new film.Rewriting history is dangerous, and today the BBC for instance always has presenters of every age, ethnicity, colour without regard to demographics or programme content.Will the anglo name for William the Conqueror be changed to William the Bathsteward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Dogger, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Coeur de Lion Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 History is being rewritten all the time. It's a very subjective subject once you start wandering from the key facts.But if you're relying on the movies to teach you history, you might as well believe what the Daily Mail publishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossy67 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 And what about the C word????????????? The F word is now acceptable, Mr Ramsey saw to that, no sooner did this happen and a whole section of society had to find a new word to throw their hands in the air over it's mention and refuse to speak to me in disgust at lol[6].Seriously, they are words, it's not like any one is getting slapped or having poo rubbed in their faeces, oops, sorry faces lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherman Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Wow – what a brilliant idea. Rubbing poo in the faces of the holier than thou, liberal lefty middle classes just brings a smile to my face at the very thought of it.But of course they will not find it OFFENSIVE as it is only other peoples words and opinions which are offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted June 10, 2011 Author Share Posted June 10, 2011 [quote user="Mr Coeur de Lion"]History is being rewritten all the time. It's a very subjective subject once you start wandering from the key facts. But if you're relying on the movies to teach you history, you might as well believe what the Daily Mail publishes.[/quote]..... And I suppose an American invented bouncing bombs and they were tested on Lake Eerie [Www] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 No! Lake Superior.[6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I believe that in the far and distant past slaves that arrived in the Carolinas mostly came from the Niger river delta . I have always believed the N word related to the slaves that came from that part of Africa . In those days they were called " Nigers " as I suspect no body could pronounce their tribal names even if they were inclined to want to try . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Coeur de Lion Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 I was under the impression the n word was deemed offensive pretty much all over, not just in the States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardener Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Perhaps those that don't think its offensive could pop along to Handsworth, Toxteth or Lewisham and try their theory out? We can have a whip round for some flowers whilst we're waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted June 11, 2011 Author Share Posted June 11, 2011 My feeling is that most film go-ers/watchers are capable of understanding that times and language were different 60, nearly 70 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe", Catch a digger by his toe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weedon Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Any chance that the person posting 3 above mine has the first name of Doug?[;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 The problem with calling the dog Digger is that it actually reminds the audience of the original word. If it is to be changed, and maybe it has to be, then it should be changed completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Coeur de Lion Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Change it's name to Jonathan and have done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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