AnOther Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Whilst I'm obviously pleased that everybody escaped from the air crash in the Hudson river and not wishing to denigrate the pilot or his skill but does he deserve the accolade of 'hero' ?In my book no, a hero is someone who knowingly and seflessly puts his own safety at risk for the sake of others and in this case nothing of the sort happened, he was just doing his job.It makes a good headline that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Highly Skillful under Pressure.With a touch of luck..........[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Driver Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I expect the 155 passengers who escaped with their lives will regard him as the hero of the hour, and why not?"Highly trained and experienced senior pilot follows correct flight procedures and makes textbook landing" doesn't quite sound as dramatic....[;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Hero is a very misused term these days (Footballers - heroes ???????)No question that the pilot was very good - and lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 This does make you wonder why the government are even bothering with the new runway for Heathrow, when they have the Thames nearby.[:)]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Bring back the Empire flying boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Théière Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Sorry Steve is that "The Empire" and Flying boats [;-)]By the way Ryanair land this guy seems very good on the day, do you think he played the trumpet music after he landed? [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/coming%20of%20age/flying%20boats/Short%20S-23%20Empire.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Wot crash? Did the hero land on the ice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I always said that them in Yoorp can't build a decent plane that can withstand a US of A bird.As to whether the driver is a hero, take your pick (just cutted and pasted so links won't)A hero (from Greek ἥρως hērōs[1]), in Greek mythology and folklore, was originally a demigod[2], the offspring of a mortal and a deity,[3] their cult being one of the most distinctive features of ancient Greek religion.Later, hero (male) and heroine (female) came to refer to characters (fictional or historical) that, in the face of danger and adversity or from a position of weakness, display courage and the will for self sacrifice – that is, heroism – for some greater good, originally of martial courage or excellence but extended to more general moral excellence.John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Driver Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 "There's no such thing as a hero, only ordinary people asked extraordinary things in terrible circumstances, and delivering." (T. Mo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cendrillon Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 [quote user="ErnieY"]Whilst I'm obviously pleased that everybody escaped from the air crash in the Hudson river and not wishing to denigrate the pilot or his skill but does he deserve the accolade of 'hero' ?In my book no, a hero is someone who knowingly and seflessly puts his own safety at risk for the sake of others and in this case nothing of the sort happened, he was just doing his job.It makes a good headline that's all. [/quote]Yes it makes a good news headline and catches the eye, the whole emergency was dramatic to say the least. All credit to the captain and crew that they kept their cool, remembered their training and that no lives were lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Théière Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 [quote user="Cendrillon"][quote user="ErnieY"]Whilst I'm obviously pleased that everybody escaped from the air crash in the Hudson river and not wishing to denigrate the pilot or his skill but does he deserve the accolade of 'hero' ?In my book no, a hero is someone who knowingly and seflessly puts his own safety at risk for the sake of others and in this case nothing of the sort happened, he was just doing his job.It makes a good headline that's all. [/quote]Yes it makes a good news headline and catches the eye, the whole emergency was dramatic to say the least. All credit to the captain and crew that they kept their cool, remembered their training and that no lives were lost.[/quote]Are pilots trained to land on water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Driver Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 US federal aviation regulations for transport category aircraft consider emergency water landings as planned occurances therefore they are subject to training.(FAR Part 25.1581)[;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose (& Greyman) Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Given the current cult of the worthless celebrity I'm happy for this pilot to be a hero. He'd be mine if I'd been pulled off the wing of that plane !He may have been trained to make that landing but I've no doubt that if he made just a slight misjudgement then a number of people would have died. But he didn't, he kept calm and focussed in the face of a possible horrible death. Hero does it for me, may there be more Chesley Sullenberger's on the front pages and less Tara Palmer Wasteofspace's. [:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Come on someone, let me in on the secret, what crash?Ernie.[quote user="ErnieY"]In my book no, a hero is someone who knowingly and seflessly puts his own safety at risk for the sake of others and in this case nothing of the sort happened, he was just doing his job.[/quote]Rather like the pompiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Âme Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Pilot hailed for 'Hudson miracle' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex H Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 [quote user="ErnieY"]In my book no, a hero is someone who knowingly and seflessly puts his own safety at risk for the sake of others and in this case nothing of the sort happened, he was just doing his job. [/quote]So amateurs can be heroes, but professionals cannot? [8-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickles Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 [quote user="Iceni"]I always said that them in Yoorp can't build a decent plane that can withstand a US of A bird.[/quote]Errrr, like the Ryanair Boeing 737 brought down by mere starlings at Ciampino ....? Buckshot compared with the cannon-ball that is a Canada Goose at that speed!Sorry, couldn't resist. RegardsPickles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Théière Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 So his goose is cooked then [:D]Definitely couldn't resist [Www] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 [quote user="Sunday Driver"]US federal aviation regulations for transport category aircraft consider emergency water landings as planned occurances therefore they are subject to training.(FAR Part 25.1581)[;-)] [/quote]The training is theoretical, no one does an actual water landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViVienne Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I would like him to be the pilot if I was going on a plane!!! Other professional pilots on the news have said he as they had only just taken off and the plane was quite low he would have had to think very quickly and stayed very calm indeed to land it as he did, as he also personally walked along the fusilage to make sure everybody was safe and out, I think that makes him a bit of a hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre ZFP Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Yes a hero definitely. You can have all the training in the world but never know how you will react in an extreme situation.I would go further and say all the flight and cabin crew were heros. I imagine the co-pilot had plenty to do during the emergency too and the cabin crew had to stay calm and efficient in the face of what must have seemed like certain death, clean underwear time at the very least. 'Professional' does not necessarily equate to 'not scared' and anyone who does the correct thing while knowingly being in danger is a hero in my book.I bet none of the crew thought they were going for an impromptu boating trip when they turned up for work that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 The difference with all of those scenarios is that nobody had any choice which surely is the determinator between doing what's to be reasonably expected of you given your position and training and actively putting yourself in a situation.The problem of course is that the word 'hero' has passed into popular parlance to describe just about anyone who does something out of the ordinary and is devalued for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valB Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I agree totally Pierre. Fear is not just for the passengers and I would imagine everyone on board were very frightened indeed but proved to be a very professional crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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