Jonzjob Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 What happened to Wooly's post? Surely it wasn't whipped out because it mentioned somebodies far flung belief [:-))]Never mind Wooly, I have found that I have the ability to reverse the proceedure and turn wine into water [8-|][8-|] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cendrillon Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Bon courage Mint, je pense a toi.Bises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I had no idea you could take arnica in pill form for a bruise. Still seems expensive to me. Mr. Teapot... FWIW, I was wearing boots (admittedly not steel toe caps) but, as the concrete landed on my ankle, I doubt steel caps would have helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard51 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I find it rather bizarre that a rather misinformed and random introduction of electron microscopes, water molecules and snowflakes appears on a thread about homeopathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 JJ, it is still there on page 3. Thank you for your concern.If you are doing a little ‘turning’, perhaps a decent claret, St Emilion preferred. Much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonzjob Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 [quote user="richard51"]I find it rather bizarre that a rather misinformed and random introduction of electron microscopes, water molecules and snowflakes appears on a thread about homeopathy.[/quote]Bizarre? Why ? It seems to me to be the normal in any kind of conversation flow. The ebbs and flows of it make it more interesting in lots of ways. For instance, I had never heard of micron-thingies before this [blink] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 [quote user="Cendrillon"]Bon courage Mint, je pense a toi.Bises[/quote]Merci. Je t'envoie un mel ou un PM prochainement[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 For what it's worth, I am happy to have got the range of opinions expressed and also have no problem with posts going "off topic". Much of the technical stuff passed me by but others were obviously interested in the details.Until about 4 days ago, I had never had the slightest interest in homeopathy and it would not have occurred to me to see a homeopath. I was searching for one of those mysterious "magnétiseurs" and "coupeurs de feu" that French friends were urging me to find. Then it chanced that a friend of a friend of a friend knew someone who had radiotherapy and was "bien satisfaite" by the homeopath.My friend also gave me the remedy together with dosage that the radiotherapy lady had taken. In order to lose no time, I went off to the pharmacie, had a word with them and started taking the granules of apis méllifica. Strictly speaking, I should not have done that because, apparently, one should always consult a qualified homeopath before taking anything. So, don't try this at home, guys![:(]I admit to having been fearful, stressed, anxious, insomniac for months but after the first day of 2 doses, I felt calm and started sleeping well. Coincidence? Hmmmm..........I think not because I have been worried and more than a little frightened for weeks.So then, I rang the homeopath for a rdv which I shall have next week. If anyone is interested, I shall let you know how I get on.In the meantime, I'd still like some anecdotal evidence from those who have used these remedies or services to tell me their experience. It would be good to know both the positive and the negative stories connected with this topic.As for "water memory" mentioned earlier, I understand that there is also "muscle memory". Now, having been a bit of a gym bunny for years, I wish the muscle memory thing were true. I can tell you that, as sure as eggs is eggs, I have nothing like the body of my younger, pre-illness self[:(] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 [quote user="andyh4"]IIRC Arnigel is €4.80 a tube[/quote]That's more like it.mi will get some on my next visit! Thanks, Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 [quote user="andyh4"]IIRC Arnigel is €4.80 a tube[/quote]That's more like it. I'll get some on my next visit! Thanks, Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alittlebitfrench Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 My French sister in law swears by homeopathy. I think she is nutcase. But it works for her. I suffer from terrible allergies but I drink (watered down) apple vinegar every night and it works wonders.There is no medical evidence to suggest why it would work, but it does for me.Minty, wishing you all the best. Keep well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 [quote user="alittlebitfrench"] ............ I drink (watered down) apple vinegar every night. ..........[/quote]So that's why you have such an acerbic attitude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard51 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 As a slight drift the "radiation bystander effect" can possibly be likened to the so called "magic water effect" in homeopathy. Cells not irradiated can exhibit the same characteristics as those that have been irradiated nearby to them.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4268598/btw apoptosis is programmed cell death. i.e. cell death due to natural lifecycle of cells.NB a micron is a unit of length.Go for it Mint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinBretagne Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Muscle memory is often referred to by musicians who learn complex pieces by heart.The placebo effect can be very powerful, believe that something is doing you some good and the chances are it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 My chiropractor years ago recommended glucosamine sulphate for my dog's arthritis. Now, the dog probably didn't fall for the placebo effect, but the glucosamine certainly helped him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Théière Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 [quote user="richard51"]As a slight drift the "radiation bystander effect" can possibly be likened to the so called "magic water effect" in homeopathy. Cells not irradiated can exhibit the same characteristics as those that have been irradiated nearby to them.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4268598/btw apoptosis is programmed cell death. i.e. cell death due to natural lifecycle of cells.NB a micron is a unit of length.Go for it Mint.[/quote]That was fascinating, especially the adaptive response which is a issue to people using low pressure UV light in their swimming pools as apposed to medium pressure UV light. It does seem to show the memory effect and cell communication theories. If indeed there are cell walls.Now this is a thread jump [:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinBretagne Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 [quote user="You can call me Betty"]My chiropractor years ago recommended glucosamine sulphate for my dog's arthritis. Now, the dog probably didn't fall for the placebo effect, but the glucosamine certainly helped him.[/quote]Nobody falls for the placebo effect, they believe that they have had the medication. You could also argue that the dog’s recovery was coincidence. Homeopathy relies on being positive people who look for problems will probably not benefit as much as those who do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Théière Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Is glucosamine sulphate a homeopathic remedy? Mrs T takes it daily to relieve some of the cancer treatment symptoms.The placebo test proves chalk is just as good a cure for some ailments. Oh but you should also be wearing a white lab coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindal1000 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 From what I understand of latest research they are now looking at treatments that can be modified dependent on the genetic make up of the patient and the cancer. Past treatments have used the principal that if it works in 60% of cases then it's worth trying, but up until now no one has really understood why it doesn't work for the other 40%. Now scientists are beginning to unravel the complexities of genetics some treatments seem to be able to be targeted specifically to the individual. I'm sure in 20 years time we'll look back in amazement at how diseases were treated the same way for all people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnie Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Mint - It will be very interesting to hear how your homeopathy visit went. Having a hiatus hernia with acid reflux I have, for a number of years, taken a daily dose of Apple Cider Vinegar. You may say ACV for acid reflux is wrong but I take daily med which counters the acid reflux and make things too alkiline. One needs a balance of acid. I've just been reading about the benefits of powdered slippery elm bark for general health issues and am about to see how that works. By the way Mint how are your Vitamin D levels?. If low this can make insomnia and anxiety, which you understandably suffer, worse. Bon courage Mint and positive thoughts too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Théière Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Absolutely lindal1000, Mrs T was fortunate to have benefited from such new developments.A company in silicon valley are DNA mapping tumours and building an extensive database. Her tumours were sent to them for analysis and the result was they gave a low score so Chemo was of no value. That test costs £4000 but saved the NHS many times more and didn't give Mrs T the side effects that Chemo would have meant. Without it anyone without the test would automatically be given Chemo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh4 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Théière wroteIs glucosamine sulphate a homeopathic remedy? It depends on what you mean by homeopathic. If you mean dissolved and then diluted to the point of zero concentration, then certainly no. Well not if 1000 to 2000mg per tablet is supposed to be dilution to zero. If you mean produced from natural sources, then probably yes - sources include fermented corn, crustacean shells. But it is of necessity highly processed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSKS Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 No properly constructed double-blind, randomised, controlled study has ever demonstrated homeopathic remedies to have any effect in excess of the placebo effect.It is simply faith-healing, snake oil or whatever other phrase that fits - one thing it is not is therapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh4 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 JSKSI think you need to define what YOU mean by homeopathic, since it is clear that the use here and perhaps throughout France is different to what I (and I suspect you) understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alittlebitfrench Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I have no idea what homeopathy is in UK but in France they are little balls of sugar in a dispensing pot.I took some once that were prescribed for eczema. It did not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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