woolybanana Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 The irascible Ms Campbell seems to think the former whilst I tend toward the latter. What do you reckon?http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/advertising/naomi-campbell-in-race-row-over-cadbury-chocolate-2290405.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Well, I guess it's a bit like Mr Hamilton's post-race comments today. Unless you've ever been - constantly - on the negative end of racism, you cannot know what it feels like and how "paranoid" that can make you. As a person who's always been white in a mainly white society, I'm just not sure that I can ever know or undestand what racism really is and what it feels like. Only those who are the subjects of these offences are really qualified to know - if somebody is offended by something then it's offensive (to them, if not to the rest of us.) That's all that matters. It's not up to white society to decide what is offensive to non-whites. It's up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Coeur de Lion Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 What surprises me is that Cadbury's didn't get her permission to use her name in the first place. If they had, this would never be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSKS Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Why would someone who is nearing the end of a not very glorious career seek to boost her public profile in this way? Is her name trademarked. The chocolate/racism thing is a nonsense; this sort of action - using racism as an excuse for publicity - also harms race relations by giving the ignorant an excuse to shout ''playing the race card''. No she's not, she's playing the ''I'm so special you can't use my name'' card.They can compare me to Milky Bar if they like and I won't seek any royalties for using my name, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 [quote user="Mr Coeur de Lion"]What surprises me is that Cadbury's didn't get her permission to use her name in the first place. If they had, this would never be an issue.[/quote]If they had used her surname as well this would have been necessary. You can use a forename in an advert without permission because it's not specific (even though you know your audience will understand.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Latter for me too. Cannot see where the racism comes into it. Fact is she has absolutely fabulous dark skin and that is probably why they would want to 'compare' their product to her. They were right about the diva bit though, seems like she is acting like a diva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I think she is making a mountain out of a mole hill, I'm more worried by the ad for Coco pops....couldn't those perfectly adorable girls advertised rice crispies or something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I am disgusted that Kraft have the temerity to call Cadbury 'Chocolate' it's a pale imitation of real chocolate.Plus it is very annoying that advertisers can use people names and 'voice a likes' and make totally false or outrageous claims.Then just have the ad withdrawn after the impact has been made with no real loss.I am luckily enough to only have experience racism once in Mauritius when I was mistaken for an Indian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted May 29, 2011 Author Share Posted May 29, 2011 Aren't you?[6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 What about this article, Wools?I'm not entirely sure of the point of it?http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1391971/Ben-Douglas-A-white-middle-class-friend-Kate-Moss-called-N-word-times.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted May 29, 2011 Author Share Posted May 29, 2011 Drunken boor by the sound of it. Pity someone didnt smack him in the mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I like Cadbury's chocolate. I like other makes too, including some of the rather expensive swiss ones, but I like Cadbury's. Not to every one's taste, but certainly to mine. Don't like dark chocolate on it's own and not always as a coating on various flavoursome things, don't care how good it is supposed to be for me either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nectarine Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 personally I think any opportunity to wind up the vile Ms. Campbell is a welcome one. She's a bully and a lout - witness the various court cases by staff that she has hit and abused - and I doubt she's that thin-skinned that this ad really upset her. Just didn't get her own way for once.Ya boo and all that ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Seems a pathetic attempt to exhume a dead career.John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 [quote user="cooperlola"]........,...As a person who's always been white in a mainly white society, I'm just not sure that I can ever know or undestand what racism really is and what it feels like..........,.[/quote]I think I have some small idea. I worked a while in Saudi Arabia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 [quote user="nomoss"][quote user="cooperlola"]........,...As a person who's always been white in a mainly white society, I'm just not sure that I can ever know or undestand what racism really is and what it feels like..........,.[/quote]I think I have some small idea. I worked a while in Saudi Arabia.[/quote]Yes, Nomoss, I said me. I was not speaking for anybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob T Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I note from the article that "campaign group Operation Black Vote (OBV)" is getting involved, is there an Operation White Vote group? If not then I find that racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pads Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I think her real issue is that she didnt get paid for using her name ...... After the way she behaved over the blood dimonds I think thats her real agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 [quote user="woolybanana"]Drunken boor by the sound of it. Pity someone didnt smack him in the mouth.[/quote]Wools, you're right about the state of this person who has now outed (strange word) himself...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392430/Hairdresser-James-Brown-grovels-drunken-N-word-Barftas-rant-Ben-Douglas.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 [quote user="cooperlola"][quote user="nomoss"] [quote user="cooperlola"]........,...As a person who's always been white in a mainly white society, I'm just not sure that I can ever know or undestand what racism really is and what it feels like..........,.[/quote]I think I have some small idea. I worked a while in Saudi Arabia.[/quote]Yes, Nomoss, I said me. I was not speaking for anybody else.[/quote]Didn't say you were, merely contrasting my experience with yours.Sorry I spoke, I didn't realise there were restrictions on who can have an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherman Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Unfortunately having a debate on racism or several other subjects is near impossible because as soon as you offer an opinion which does not fall into line with the politically correct dogma you are accused of an ‘ism’ or a ‘phobia’ which effectively closes down the debate. There are many evil things that go on including racism (not only white / black), religious intolerance, the cast system and tribalism. To use the slur of racism for political and other advantages trivialises the issue and prevents focus on the real issues which effect the individual freedom of those that are truly living in a living hell.To answer the question of the post I don’t think that it is either racism or paranoia it would appear to be more like manipulation of a situation for their own ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 If Cadbury were selling the product in one of these again .....then she might just have a good reason to complain .http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajax/1442355347/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote user="nomoss"][quote user="cooperlola"][quote user="nomoss"] [quote user="cooperlola"]........,...As a person who's always been white in a mainly white society, I'm just not sure that I can ever know or undestand what racism really is and what it feels like..........,.[/quote]I think I have some small idea. I worked a while in Saudi Arabia.[/quote]Yes, Nomoss, I said me. I was not speaking for anybody else.[/quote]Didn't say you were, merely contrasting my experience with yours.Sorry I spoke, I didn't realise there were restrictions on who can have an opinion.[/quote]I'm sorry if that sounded in the least as though I didn't care for your opinion or anybody else's. Quite the contrary. I thought by your remark that you had read my comment to mean that white people didn't understand what it was to be subjected to racism, when all I meant was that I didn't understand it. Thus I sought to clarify my remark and in no way to belittle yours. I appologise unequivocally. I am very, very sorry if I caused offence or made it sound as though I don't value the opinions and experiences of others, because I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote user="cooperlola"][quote user="nomoss"][quote user="cooperlola"][quote user="nomoss"] [quote user="cooperlola"]........,...As a person who's always been white in a mainly white society, I'm just not sure that I can ever know or undestand what racism really is and what it feels like..........,.[/quote]I think I have some small idea. I worked a while in Saudi Arabia.[/quote]Yes, Nomoss, I said me. I was not speaking for anybody else.[/quote]Didn't say you were, merely contrasting my experience with yours.Sorry I spoke, I didn't realise there were restrictions on who can have an opinion.[/quote]I'm sorry if that sounded in the least as though I didn't care for your opinion or anybody else's. Quite the contrary. I thought by your remark that you had read my comment to mean that white people didn't understand what it was to be subjected to racism, when all I meant was that I didn't understand it. Thus I sought to clarify my remark and in no way to belittle yours. I appologise unequivocally. I am very, very sorry if I caused offence or made it sound as though I don't value the opinions and experiences of others, because I do.[/quote] No problem. It's so easy to get the wrong end of the stick on fora.My post might have been clearer if I had enlarged on it, but I didn't want to launch into a litany on living there. Those who've been there know what it's like, those who haven't should just be grateful.If the world ever needs an enema I know where to insert the tube [:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I am confused or where do the New York Yankees come into all this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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