Impeach Blair

[Jake]

Browsing the web late one night I came across this site http://www.impeachblair.net/index.shtml and am in two minds as to whether I should sign up or not. The pros are obvious, the cons less so.

It calls for the signing of a petition saying the following:

"I wish to see Tony Blair impeached and required to answer in the Court of Parliament that he repeatedly and substantively misled the people into the Iraq War of 2003 while choosing to remain in office when he is in clear violation of the traditional convention of ministerial resignation."

Is this all old hat? Let sleeping dogs lie? Or is it still important to pursue?

Any thoughts?

Jake

[Teamedup]

I have actually asked my FIL's family who live in Blair's constituancy to vote him out next time, but they like him. And as someone who has voted labour all her life, that was quite something for me to ask them.

I will read this site, so thanks for the link.

[Frenchy]

Just out of interest, who would you like to see replace him?

[Dick Smith]

It's nonsense, of course.

And I'm not sure why you are raising the issue on a French forum, except for trolling a bit.

[0BRIAN WOODHEADI,m here in franceddMMyyyy0Falseen-USI,m here in franceTrue]

Whats the posting got to do with living in france forums.

[Jake]

The fortunes of Britain and France are inextricably linked and what impacts one must by extension be seen to impact the other. (The influx of Britons to France over the last several years should be adequate evidence of this fact.)

I think its relevance might not be as great as, for example, Christmas presents but I felt that it was a website that might interest some.

Kind regards

Jake

[Miki]

[quote]You'll get your chance to remove the prime minister at the election next year. You can vote for a party that didn't back the war. I think the Greens were probably opposed to it.[/quote]

Wendy you are generally pretty much correct but in this instance, you seem to have overlooked the Whiplash party and I forget the name of the other..........

Absolutely correct, you can vote the party out and if you live in France, you can still do so. That's democracy.

If you want to sign something to impeach Blair, go ahead it's your right but as has been stated, what's the alternative that you wish to be left with? The wally, who yesterday said he was going to Falmouth to talk to the people of Cornwall and as Paxman noted on Newsnight,  the only people he spoke with, were a few Tory party members (some of the ladies were there with blue balloons as their hubbie had asked them to do so but they didn't much like the leader) and 3 dogs, who also had a pat as well or you have Charlie Kennedy.

What good will become of this impeachment? (not that it will ever happen of course).

 

 

[Hoddy]

I find this thread deeply depressing.

Someone said that we get the politicians we deserve. I really cannot, in all conscience, believe that I deserve any of the current ones.

Hoddy

[Miki]

Has it ever been much different then ?

Neither Tommy Cooper nor Derek Trotter were ever going to be politicians, so you surely cannot expect too much from the folk in Westmister. I find there are lot more things to be depressed about, including the onslaught of winter and the ever increasing price of logs 

 

 

[Hoddy]

I suppose it's because I'm an optimisitic idealist who still dreams of Utopia !

Hoddy

[I1]

Personally I was strongly against the war at the time it was started. I cannot say that it would have not been necessary in the future but at the time GW/TB “went for it”, other options were still in progress, any potential risk was contained and there was not the need to invade. That is not to say I support Sadam (nor the associated assumptions), just that peaceful solutions had certainly not been fully explored.

Certainly somebody was not being completely open about the true situation. As to whether M. Blaire personally lied I have no information. However, he is responsible for his staff, government, security services. There used to be an (admittedly American) expression “the Buck Stops Here”. These days it is more “if you cannot legally provide it was personally me then I’m off the hook”.

There are major questions the (both US and UK) government needs to answer. I have greater interest in the UK – but none of our politicians seem prepared to answer them – they just keep a steady supply of sound bites.

A lot on people have been killed by the invasion. A lot of damage has been done to international relations. A lot of damage has been done to the credibility of the UN, etc. It is a serious matter and if an impeachment “campaign” is the only way to put further pressure to obtain answers then I’m in favour.

As a nation, the UK cannot go around (with the US) as a self appointed international police force. Personally I do not subscribe to the it’s “sleeping dogs” approach as the severity of the issues is pretty major.

All personal opinion – and I welcome other opinions.

[I1]

Living in France, I am very surprised at how little resentment there is about/toward the UK and US over the way France was treated in the run-up to the war. British and US politicians were “truncating” what the French were saying in the UN to the point of changing the meaning. Good old M. Straw was quoting the French and totally omitting the “unless …” part of what they had said.

As a slight aside, on the D-Day memorial events, I remember listening to a French commentary on the radio. Don’t know the station but is was a serious one. They included commentary of the US parts of the celebrations, but hardly ever referred to M. Bush by name – instead referring to “Britain’s Best Friend”.

[0BRIAN WOODHEADI,m here in franceddMMyyyy0Falseen-USI,m here in franceTrue]

point being?

[0BRIAN WOODHEADI,m here in franceddMMyyyy0Falseen-USI,m here in franceTrue]

Miki,is that peach logs?

[SaligoBay]

[quote]Living in France, I am very surprised at how little resentment there is about/toward the UK and US over the way France was treated in the run-up to the war. British and US politicians were “truncatin...[/quote]

Depends on how you see resentment.

In my son's collège, you do see children with anti-Bush stickers on their bags.   One, for example, is a US flag with a big cross through it, another is a US flag with "Arretez la Bush-erie" printed on it.

How important are the political views of 11-15 year-olds?   Dunno, mate!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[I1]

[quote]Depends on how you see resentment. In my son's collège, you do see children with anti-Bush stickers on their bags. One, for example, is a US flag with a big cross through it, another is a US flag w...[/quote]

Very interesting. Other than the particular radio commentary I mentioned I had seen nothing. However, my experience is limited by my circumstances and thus experiences of others is quite enlightening. Many thanks

Ian

[Dave&Olive]

our tony is the best thing britain has had since maggy t  ..thats why we are off to france

[Teamedup]

Lots of folks wear Goeland stuff, they do much anti Bush stuff on their web site.

[Miki]

[quote]our tony is the best thing britain has had since maggy t ..thats why we are off to france[/quote]

Don't you like "best things" then Dave

 

[Leschenauds]

Come on! If Blair is to be impeached for lying(misleading) lets apply the same standards to all MPs, empty the palace of Westminster and turn it into an asylum seeker hostel. Who ever heard an MP give a direct and truthful answer to a question?

[I1]

One aspect to the “impeach Blair” that may be considered different to the general level of MP’s (mis)behaviour is the consequences.

I’m sure may MPs are not 100% accurate and stretch things when it suits them. However, often these do not result in the level of death and destruction caused by this (possible) case. Minor infringements (e.g. dubious property fraud) maybe does not require such a thorough investigation as nobody died and it did not (directly) cause any foreign countries to be invaded. However, the (possible) lies told to both MPs and the general public (possibly) contributed to the (possibly) unnecessary death of many people.

I add lots of possibly’s to the above as there are a lot of questions about the whole affair that need answering and nobody is prepared to answer them. Without facts (which for some reason Mr. Blair and his cronies are not prepared to reveal) I can only make (possibly) ill informed opinions. Just that the facts will not be revealed makes me even more suspicious about the “truth”.

[I1]

Although its very old and everybody has probably already seen m(many times), just if case you have not:

Browse to www.google.co.uk (or any google).

Enter

weapons of mass destruction

as your search clue and press the “I’m Feeling Lucky button”.

Don’t just glance at the page that is shown as it may not be the page you think if you only glance at it. (As far as I’m aware) this is not virus/trojan/etc. infected and has never set of any virus/firewall/etc. alerts on my PC.

[Richard-R]

Im'pear Bush

England's Notice Of Revocation Of Independence

3 November 2004

To the citizens of the United States of America,

In the light of your failure to elect an acceptable President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective today. Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories. (Except Utah, which she does not fancy.) Your new prime- minister (The Right Honourable Tony Blair, MP (for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware that there is a world outside your borders) will appoint a minister for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded.

A questionnaire will be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed. To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

1. You should look up ‘revocation’ in the Oxford English Dictionary. Then look up ‘Aluminium’. Check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as ‘colour’, 'favour' and 'neighbour', skipping the letter 'U' is nothing more than laziness on your part. Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters. You will end your love affair with the letter 'Z' (pronounced 'zed' not 'zee') and the suffix’ ize’ will be replaced by the suffix ‘ise’. You will learn that the suffix 'burgh is pronounced 'burra' e.g. Edinburgh. You are welcome to respell Pittsburgh as 'Pittsberg' if you can't cope with correct pronunciation.

2. There is no such thing as US English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of ‘ize’.

3. You should learn to distinguish the English and Australian accents. It really isn't that hard. English accents are not limited to******ey, upper-class twit or Mancunian (Daphne in Frasier). You will also have to learn how to understand regional accents - Scottish dramas such as ‘Taggart’ will no longer be broadcast with subtitles. While we're talking about regions, you must learn that there is no such place as Devonshire in England. The name of the county is Devon. If you persist in calling it Devonshire, all American States will become shires eg.Texasshire, Floridashire, Louisianashire.

4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as the good guys. Hollywood will be required to cast English actors to play English characters.

5. You should relearn your original national anthem, God Save the Queen, but only after fully carrying out task 1. We would not want you to get confused and give up half way through.

6. You should stop playing American football. There is only one kind of football. You will no longer be allowed to play it, and should instead play proper football. Initially, it would be best if you played with the girls. It is a difficult game. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which is similar to American football but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full Kevlar body armour like nancies). We are hoping to get together at least a US rugby sevens side by 2006. You should stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the 'World Series' for a game which is not played outside of America. Instead of baseball, you will be allowed to play a girls' game called rounders which is baseball without fancy team strip, oversized gloves, collector cards or hotdogs.

7. You will no longer be allowed to own or carry guns. You will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous in public than a vegetable peeler.

8. All road intersections will be replaced with roundabouts. You will start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

9. Waitresses will be trained to be more aggressive with customers.

10. As a sign of penance, 5 grams of sea salt per cup will be added to all tea made within the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, this quantity to be doubled for tea made within the city of Boston itself.

11. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all, it is lager. From November 1st only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. The substances formerly known as American Beer will henceforth be referred to as ‘Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine.

12. From November 1st the UK will harmonise petrol (or ‘Gasoline ‘ as you will be permitted to keep calling it until April 1st 2005) prices with the former USA. The UK will harmonise its prices to those of the former USA and the former USA will, in return, adopt UK petrol prices (roughly $6/US gallon- get used to it).

13. You will hand over Mel Gibson to face charges of treason.

14. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us crazy.

Tax collectors from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all revenues due (backdated to 1776).

Thank you for your co-operation.

[Tresco]

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but why Mel Gibson? I thought he was Australian.

tresco

[0BRIAN WOODHEADI,m here in franceddMMyyyy0Falseen-USI,m here in franceTrue]

In peach blair is that what you ladies are wearing this year,very nice to