Patf Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 These scams have been going on for decades, as long as the welfare state was created, a challenge to be conned and cheated. It doesn't need a TV programme to put the idea into people's heads. In fact it's probably the opposite ie the scriptwriters go to the folks on the estates to find out what's the latest scam. The most common one used to be: a couple with children claim to have split up and now form 2 separate households. So claim double benefits. But in fact still "live" together. A pity for those families who genuinely need the welfare state. They are given a bad name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgina Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 These people know every trick in the book, if they go to court, they sometimes know more than the solicitors about their rights and the loopholes, and boy do they use them. They know how to cheat the systems and that is passed down generations, the kids do not have a chance, they are brainwashed into that way of thinking the minute they are born into thinking that society owes them. They pop out and the first words they learn aren't mummy daddy, its 'benefit' and milk tokens.Georgina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 Generally speaking, I think this is all very harsh.Some people are takers, whatever their background or social class.To characterise a large part of our society in such a sweeping manner can only serve to encourage misunderstandings and prejudices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowoman Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 There are so many scammers about.It is reported in the paper today that a little boy was found at a bustop and no one knows who he belongs to.This little chap is of Indian origin and is ten years old.The reporter says that he is probobly a victim of human trafficking.He goes on to say that the traffickers get these kids so that they can claim more benefit.What an extreme thing to do.You really wouldnt believe people could be so cruel...and just for money!The benefit system ought to be scrapped and started all over again I reckon.There is no help for the real needy because the money is being taken up by the scammers.Who gave Karen mathews the right to have all those children and not keep any of them?She doesn't have to worry about her rent being paid,doesn't have to wonder how she can pay her council tax,can sit around all day in her PJs.......What a life hey ?Each child is an automatic pay rise...so just keep them coming that must be her motto.......and millions more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 This topic is in serious danger of being confused with the Daily Mail... [;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowoman Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 wot????????This is why these people are created.Its because they do not take responsibility for anything.They go through life on an easy ride and its us tax payers who are at fault because we allow them to do soIts our fault.......not hers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 Aside from Shannon did she have all or any of her children living with her?I ask because if she was considering leaving her partner for his uncle who lived in an upstairs flat wher would the kids have gone?Whats the betting that she is announced to be pregnant again before going to trial?The papers have made lots of money from this soon to be closely followed by those involved or with a story to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowoman Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 Well shannon was found in a divan bed....maybe this was her new homeKaren Mathews had a couple of children living with her...but I am not certain where the others were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowoman Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 You were right.Shannon Mathews is pregnant again!!!Another one for us to keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted April 15, 2008 Author Share Posted April 15, 2008 I hope you mean Karen ?I'll be surprised if she is allowed to keep this child, even if she is not in prison I suspect she will be sent to a mother and baby facility where she can be monitored.I am puzzled by the Child Neglect charge - after all it 'seems' if media suspicion is correct, she knew where her child was, in the care of an adult - which is more than can be said for the McCanns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Don't forget that these things also happen in France:http://www.midilibre.com/articles/2008/04/15/20080415-FAIT-DU-JOUR-2-Le-couple-ecroue-apres-le-deces-de-l-39-enfant-martyre.php5and http://www.midilibre.com/articles/2008/04/11/20080411-FAIT-DU-JOUR-5-Fillettes-violees-le-beau-pere-avoue-enfin.php5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowoman Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Yes sorry i meant Karen.Maybe the neglect charge is to do with one of her other children She is alledgedly said to have dumped her first child because her then boyfriend wouldnt give her a fiver for a packet of ciggys.She has also been drawing benefit when she had a blokes wages coming into the household.They cant say these people are poor because they have all their household bills automatically paid for them.The boyfriend brings a normal persons wage in for food clothes etc and the welfare money is for indulgenceI think this sort of family is well off compared to a lot of struggling working parents.But society is to blame because we let them get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 [quote user="NormanH"]Don't forget that these things also happen in France:http://www.midilibre.com/articles/2008/04/15/20080415-FAIT-DU-JOUR-2-Le-couple-ecroue-apres-le-deces-de-l-39-enfant-martyre.php5and http://www.midilibre.com/articles/2008/04/11/20080411-FAIT-DU-JOUR-5-Fillettes-violees-le-beau-pere-avoue-enfin.php5[/quote]True Norman, paedophiles, and people who abuse the trust of young girls like that... there are certainly some real sickos about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoddy Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 "The papers have made lots of money from this soon to be closely followed by those involved or with a story to tell."This is already happening. The father of her first child told his story in the News of the World this Sunday. Aside from everything else I was struck by how he placed the whole responsibility for the care of his son on Karen even though he hadn't seen him for two years and had never paid towards his upkeep.I'm not defending her actions in any way, but there has been no criticism of the men who were willing fathers. I think they have some responsibilities too.Hoddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWINKLE Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1052702/Mother-Shannon-Matthews-denies-new-charges-kidnap-false-imprisonment.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Shannon Matthews' mother and man to stand trial accused of her kidnap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pads Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I bet they get away with it.... get paid loads to go on chat shows, and give their stories to tacky papers and magazines [:(] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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