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Katie, hes doing A level French; I think the posts were all crossing at once. I also explained my smartassness about the visigoths here.

Anyway, all this French lark. Does anyone here like 'conversational' French classes? I simply cannot stand them, and I've tried two different ones. I just hate the wishiwashiness.  Everyone else loved them.

I'm not trying to feed anyone a line, but I need discipline and structure.

What am I going to do now?

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Sorry Dick, you would have to go elsewhere for that service, but if I'm not mistaken you would have to leave the kitten behind?

So, here's another thing about learning French.

I am just at the age where they still taught you what nouns and adjectives were, but they had just about given up on all the other things (pluperfect past participles and the like). So, it seems to me that I have to re- learn 'English', before I can learn French.

This has been descibed as a 'pencil sharpening' excercise by my dear OH, who goes Poooof! with the best of them.

 

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[quote user="Tresco"]

Anyway, all this French lark. Does anyone here like 'conversational'

French classes? I simply cannot stand them, and I've tried two

different ones. I just hate the wishiwashiness.  Everyone else

loved them.

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We tried them and it was an unmitigated disaster - the mixture of

abilities was far too wide and there were too many in the class to have

any realistic chance of progressing - after all 15 students had

repeated 'comment ça va?', student number one -(and most of the rest of

us) had fallen asleep.   Then there was the student who

walked out (apparently for the second year running) because he needed

to learn words and  couldn't 'do' sentences.  Then we had the

young 'bimbo' wife of an aging executive - who had to be told how to

pronounce 'bonjour' at least sixteen times. After

the teacher had rounded on MOH and I for the third time asking us to

repeat

what we had just said for the benefit of the class we decided enough

was enough (our french is/was only basic - O level plus

holidays - so our responses were hardly dynamic!)  All very

entertaining but wasn't improving our French much.

We now have private lessons once a week and these have been really

good.  As far as coping, I can read (and write) French reasonably

well but conversation escapes me.  They just speak too darned fast

- and throw the local accent in and I'm stuffed.  I start off with

all good intentions but then miss a word and my brain has to have a

'thinking break' by which point I've lost the next three

sentences.  I find it hard work and mentally draining - but keep

hoping the penny will drop and it will all start to make sense.  I

use 'context' an awful lot to follow what is being said - filling in

the blanks so to speak.  Our French teacher keeps assuring us that

it will click and we will start to think in French instead of having to

go through the laborious process of thinking in English and

translating...but hasn't happened yet. 

We are trying to lighten

things up by learning a few colloquialisms and swear words - one of the advantages of not doing O'level ;)

Hastobe

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Thanks Hastobe

I know many people do enjoy them, and that they get a lot out of them, but I'm relieved to know I'm not the only one who doesn't/hasn't.

I'll leave the negatives out as you have done a good job there, (it's so familiar) but one of the funniest things I heard was a woman who strung a very long sentence together without a single conjugated verb.

My most recent pencil sharpening exercise has been trying to work out how to do the same

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Never did a conversational 'class', just did conversation

I try, I try....

I'm getting better, unless all French people are liars. The other problem is, all the people I was really matey with seem to be popping off (and I don't mean to the shops). It's hard in the sticks, as there just aren't easy chances for conversation.

I speak very good 'sheep' and goose' though.

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[quote user="Miki"][quote user="Tresco"]

Oh crikey, I forgot to answer your questions about the sellotape.

What is sellotape in French? I need to buy some soon. Very soon.

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Ler steeky bak plasteek..... [:D]
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Things could be worse, chaps. You could be in Australia [:$]....

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Oh crikey, I forgot to answer your questions about the sellotape.

What is sellotape in French? I need to buy some soon. Very soon.

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Just ask for "un rouleau du Scotch", I know i'm being silly to-nigt but that really is the word for it.  Would I lie to you my dear Tresco?[:)]

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 Honestly, I was quite young when I came here to live (23) so I was socialising a lot, the more you speak the language the more you learn and very quickly.  After 6 months I could follow all conversations and make myself understood.  They say that you've really mastered a foreign language once you start dreaming in that language, this happened to me after 2 years.
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That's reassuring.

I was nearly 42 when I came, and age does make a difference. I can follow most things, even films without subtitles now, but it is really hard, and sometimes I clam up completely when trying to speak with people.

It's so frustrating. Someone posted recently a link to an article about the effects on teenagers, when their parents bring them here. There was a part of it that likened the experience to asphasia (what stroke victims go through) and I could really understand that. All the words are there (in a way), but you just can't get them out.

I do have the odd dream in French. When I can understand them I'll feel a bit happier![:)] Some of them are very intriguing. LOL

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As I can't even share them with myself yet I have to say no. It's not that I don't want to be 'giving'.

Are you going off again K Kat?  It ony takes a few second to put the children in front of a video with a plate of chips[:)]

Only joking, that's no way to 'live'.

 

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That's reassuring.

I was nearly 42 when I came, and age does make a difference. I can follow most things, even films without subtitles now, but it is really hard, and sometimes I clam up completely when trying to speak with people.

It's so frustrating. Someone posted recently a link to an article about the effects on teenagers, when their parents bring them here. There was a part of it that likened the experience to asphasia (what stroke victims go through) and I could really understand that. All the words are there (in a way), but you just can't get them out.

I do have the odd dream in French. When I can understand them I'll feel a bit happier![:)] Some of them are very intriguing. LOL

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I know how frustrating it must be, but you'll get there just a bit slower!

KKK will sympathise with you, she has all the words too, it's like she's swallowed a french dictionary when she comes over here and she just spurts them all out over the poor bewildered locals! She's brilliant, they love her[:P]

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 I really wish I had had a chance to do what JohnM is doing.

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I will confess that, even though the qualification is of very little interest (not that I don't want to do well in the exam, in my book there is a differenece) going to a structured lesson has been good for me. (And the Wednesday lunch time's "Conversation" class with the young (pretty) conversation assistant is a joy! I now know the french for "please stop staring at me with that inane grin on your face", I expect it will be very useful)

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[quote user="Dick Smith"]Visigoths spoke Gothic, I believe, a Germanic language of the Indo-European family of languages. There is a Wikipedia entry, but the character set isn't showing up on my computer.

I think it might cause John to explode...

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That's going to Room 101 as well then.

While I'm at it, Subjunctives are going in as well, I really don't understand why we need / want / use them.

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