HADOPI passes the last hurdle

[NormanH]

The law had to be validated by the Conseil constitutionnel.

It  passed that stage today.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/2009/10/22/01002-20091022ARTFIG00615-le-conseil-constitutionnel-valide-la-loi-hadopi-2-.php

It looks like they will be placing spyware in the P2P networks.

"Des radars, placés sur les réseaux de «peer-to-peer», seront chargés de repérer les adresses IP associées à des téléchargements illégaux"

[AnOther]

Good job I don't use P2P networks then, only for newbys who don't know better [;-)]

This legislation demonstrates a pathetic lack of understanding of the problem and as result seeks to cure it by equally pathetic and ineffectual means.

[Wilko]

What's P2P networks ?

 

[AnOther]

Peer to Peer networks and torrent seed files are what illegal file sharers commonly use to distribute their wares.

Somebody recently wrote a very good description of the system and I have taken the liberty of reproducing it below. It was written in relation to the BBC iPlayer which itself is a P2P client and uses utilises a P2P network but is equally relevant to illegal activities.

[quote user="Richard"][quote user="martyng"]I used to use iplayer a lot

in the UK so I was interested to see that it does not allow such use

over here. So in anticipation I signed up for this thebox thing. Can

someone please explain what on earth you are supposed to do? I am

afraid the site is not clear, despite your optimistic words, Richard! I

have looked at the Rules and FAQs and am still none the wiser!

'download the .torrent' to 'correctly seed the files' - ?! 'Internal

cappers'.

I am with Chrissie - plain English please to explain how this site

works![/quote]

Ok,

a torrent is a small file that basically contains information on how to

download the main file you want, be it a movie, tv show, album,

software or whatever. It is typically around 5kb in size.

To use

this torrent file, you need a program called a client. This will open

up the torrent and it uses the information contained in that torrent

file to actually locate and download the file you are after. The one I

use is called utorrent.

To get started with thebox.bz, go to

browse and then download the top torrent. It should say free next to

it. Downloading this small file and then running it on utorrent is a

good start.

What will happen next is that utorrent will begin to

download the main file. As soon as you have downloaded a portion of the

main file, you may notice that you are uploading it as well. This is

how your ratio is calculated. Because this is file sharing, to be in

good stead with fellow sharers, you want to ideally be uploading as

much as you are downloading, and therefore maintain a share ratio of

1:1.

With the free downloads on the box, they allow you to

download without being debited from your download ratio, but anything

you upload, you will get credit for. So for example if you download a

free 1gb file, and you upload over time 2gb to others (all done

automatically), then your ratio will be 1:2 ie you have downloaded 1gb,

but uploaded 2gb (hope my math is right here, it's late).

Thebox

are very strict about these ratios and it is an excellent idea to keep

utorrent running as often as possible even if you are not downloading,

so you are able to share with others.

It is more complex than

using iplayer or other download sites, but once you get the hang of

torrents, they are quite easy to understand. Apparently newgroups are

also another excellent way of downloading stuff, but I have never tried

these.

I hope I have explained it a little better. If you have anymore questions, just let me know.

But

as others have said HATOPI or whatever it's called has been introduced

so be careful. Personally I cannot see the difference between watching

this stuff on my skybox and recording it to my computer to downloading

it via a torrent, but I dare say the law says different even if the end

result is exactly the same.

[/quote]

[Mr Coeur de Lion]

Oh thanks, makes me look very guilty now.

It's a fair cop guv'nor. [;-)]

[Mr Coeur de Lion]

So with this new law, you get your two warnings and then you go to court.

Ok, no problem with that.

What happens in the meantime to your internet connection while you are waiting 20 years for your trial? Because there are going to be thousands and thousands of cases up for court as so many people use p2p networks.

I wonder how the courts are going to cope.

[woolybanana]

It is a law to protect the financial investments of the entertainment industry. Just plain greed IMNVHO

[Pierre ZFP]

Completely unenforceable and impractical.

An ISP can finger an individual address and with some effort can look into files to see if they have copyright content.

So what happens?

People who share files will use readily available utilities to mask/change their IP address and also encrypt the files so, no evidence.  All an ISP will be able to say is that xGb of data passed from err don't know  to ......err don't know

Sometimes the lack of understanding of legislators is breathtaking

 

 

[Clair]

I have not followed every step of the proposed UK legislation, but is this the Britsih version of HADOPI ? (article)

I seem to remember reading about the US also proposing to adopt similar action...

[Clair]

New internet piracy law has come into effect in France

[NickP]

[quote user="Clair"]New internet piracy law has come into effect in France


[/quote] ""The internet is a fabulous world, but it needs rules, if you want to get cinema, music or video games in the future" The above statement is from Clair's link. I just think it is a shame that they don't apply the same rules to the filth and porn that saturates the internet. Surely they would be better off spending their energy's cleaning up a system that denegrates women and children. But no, money it seems is more important

[Quillan]

Total waste of money as its impossible to actually police. Software has been around for ages that lets people download without giving their address away (think BBC Iplayer etc) but torrent programs are already available that do it automatically at a click of a button so even a dummy can download stuff.

As to porn etc, well its like a TV or radio, you don't have to watch or listen to it (I mean you have to go look for the stuff) and all modern browsers have child protection,search limting software included. As to a system that denigrates women over the Internet ask what the people who take part in the 'movies' what they think. Don't forget that in many countries porn is not illegal. The only thing I find I can agree on is child porn, disgusting stuff and more should be done to track down and imprison the perpetrators. Thats where, as you say, the money should be sent.

[pachapapa]

The "need" for bit-torrent downloading is less imperative than before with the advent of on line streaming.

Personally Deezer and Spotify are sufficient for audio requirements.

Yesterday checking my Webmail I am happy to note that I have received a Voddler invitation which I will activate immediateely on return to France, this week thursday; Voddler looks as if it will look after movie and video streaming needs.

[Mr Coeur de Lion]

I think this law has come too late.

Already the quality of movie and music being produced is degrading.

Nothing to do with lost income, just seems to be a shortage of quality writers now.

Disclaimer: Of course this is my opinion and therefore highly subjective.

[Quillan]

[quote user="pachapapa"]The "need" for bit-torrent downloading is less imperative than before with the advent of on line streaming. Personally Deezer and Spotify are sufficient for audio requirements. Yesterday checking my Webmail I am happy to note that I have received a Voddler invitation which I will activate immediateely on return to France, this week thursday; Voddler looks as if it will look after movie and video streaming needs.[/quote]

I have been using Voddler for a bit now and to say it has its problems is an understatement but it is getting better. The biggest disadvantage is that you will get advertising just like a commercial channel (ITV for example). Systems like this already exist in the US and there has not been such a big a membership as they expected, under 1M. So they will either have to sell advert space at a high price or sell it cheap and display it often. My guess it will be the latter. You will be able to get less adverts by subscription but I don't like to subscribe to these things because I don't use them that often. Also because of the special client used you can't use media extenders. Be interesting to see how it develops, is it the future, well lets see how it goes.