Kitty Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 A silly question, I know, but I can't see the answer on the DVLA website. I'm just about to sell a car (hopefully this evening.....). Could you tell me what do I do about the tax disc (valid until August)? Do I get a refund or do I have to sell the car with it?EDIT: I've changed the title of the post now that I have the answer. It was wonderful getting so many responses in such a short time. The Forum comes up trumps again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Depends what you have agreed with the buyer. You can only get refunds for complete months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Théière Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Cathy do not sell it with the car, recently there have been a lot of people driving around on the old owners tax disk without mot and insurance and making you in some way responsable. I was warned about this a couple of months ago. Wished I had listened harder now as I can't remember all the details.You can send the old disk back and get a little bit back on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 The form to apply for a tax disc refund is here Cathy...http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/forms/v14.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krusty Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 The choice is yours , take it off and apply for refund or offer the buyer the choice to pay extra for it . The buyer should have it taxed if intending to drive it away. Is the buyer aware you may not include the tax disc ?Are we talking France or UK ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krusty Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 God , I am a slow typist , three people jumped in while I was typing my reply [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 Thanks for amazingly quick replies. We are selling it in the UK where my husband is (I'm in France). How does the new owner drive it away if we keep the tax disc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krusty Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Its their problem. But have you told them the car is taxed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 I've just checked Krusty's original answer again and I think that it's a sensible idea to say that they can have the disc for extra. But what about Teapot's comment - if they are buying the disc off us, would this still be a problem?The buyers do not know if it is taxed or not (we haven't agreed a price yet).How do they drive away an untaxed car, if we decide to apply for a refund? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 As an aside there's a big market for old (banger) cars with 6 /12 tax and MOT (not suggesting your car is a banger Cathy!). The buyers are usually young drivers or those whose insurance costs are very high. They just drive the car without insurance 'til the tax runs out then scrap it. The fines for driving without insurance are so low when compared to the insurance costs that it's a gamble they are willing to take. Some of these drivers will offer to notify the DVLA on the seller's behalf but then don't bother - especially if they are going to use the car for illegal purposes - organised vandalism, breaking and entering etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 Interesting, Scooby. That must be related to Teapot's comment. The car is a big one (9 seater), worth about £2000 and has MOT and tax until August/Sept. Would that fit in the category?I am still desperate to know how someone can tax the car if we retain the disc. This is important as we would like it sold quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 I see that you can tax a car online using the registration doumentation and it takes 5 days to arrive. However, can you drive it away, saying 'Tax aplied for' or something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiling a frog Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 The new owner goes to the post office, armed with the vehicle reg document which you have given to them, MOT certificate, insurance certificate and money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krusty Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 It boils down to some people are willing to take the risk of driving an un taxed car , especially at night , get it home then tax it at leisure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil & Pat Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I'm pretty sure that with an insurance certificate and a current MOT the new owner can walk into a Post Office and buy the new tax (application form available at the counter).If I'm wrong, someone will soon be along to say so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Redman Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Unless I had trade plates and a motor trader's insurance policy I would not buy a car without at least this month's road tax on it. It is too inconvinient. If I went to see a car with road tax on it I would take the period of tax into account in the valuation of the car. If I took a car for a test drive with say three months tax on it or simply inspected it and agreed a price and the owner then removed the tax disk I would probably walk away from the deal because if he or she is ripping me off on this what else have they done ?Sorry if the above sounds a little harsh but that is how I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 Thanks for all your comments - they are really helpful. We have decided to say that the tax is a seperate issue to give us a chance to weigh up the buyers and see if they are likely to use the car illegally or not. If they look fine and pay a decent price, they can have the tax included.Now to sell the car (or not)....EDIT: My husband reckons that our car is too much of a lumbering giant for potential criminals to want it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegie Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I don't understand why you are concerned about "weigh up the buyers and see if they are likely to use the car illegally or not." If you are concerned about them using it without tax then if you follow the correct procedure it is not a concern for you.The procedure is set out on the DVLA site:http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_4022310 "Three part registration document V5Theperson selling the vehicle must complete 'your details' in the top(blue) section. Both you and the seller need to sign the declaration.It is the responsibility of the person selling the vehicle to send itin to DVLA. They should then hand you the V5/2 green sectionappropriately filled in. The DVLA must be notified as soon as thevehicle changes hands." You will have the three part V5. If you follow the procedure then the buyer and yourself will have to sign for change of ownership which will include the date. You send it off to the DVLA and your responsibility ends there. Any subsequent use, legal or illegal, is the responsibility of the buyer.As far as the existing tax disc is concerned, it is a matter for you, as part of the deal, whether you leave the disc on or not. It may form part of the bargain. The new owners will have plenty of time to obtain a VEL and , in any case, although not showing a disc the vehicle will still be taxed to the end of the current month as , as has been said, you can only claim a refund from the start of the next complete month. Your claim for refund must be received by the DVLA (or postmarked) before midnight on the last day of the preceding month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 [quote user="Weegie"] although not showing a disc the vehicle will still be taxed to the end of the current month [/quote]But it is an offence not to display a current disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 [quote user="Cathy"]EDIT: My husband reckons that our car is too much of a lumbering giant for potential criminals to want it.... [/quote]Agreed - they tend to look for cheap cars < £500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 [quote user="Weegie"]I don't understand why you are concerned about "weigh up the buyers and see if they are likely to use the car illegally or not." If you are concerned about them using it without tax then if you follow the correct procedure it is not a concern for you.The procedure is set out on the DVLA site:http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_4022310 "Three part registration document V5Theperson selling the vehicle must complete 'your details' in the top(blue) section. Both you and the seller need to sign the declaration.It is the responsibility of the person selling the vehicle to send itin to DVLA. They should then hand you the V5/2 green sectionappropriately filled in. The DVLA must be notified as soon as thevehicle changes hands." You will have the three part V5. If you follow the procedure then the buyer and yourself will have to sign for change of ownership which will include the date. You send it off to the DVLA and your responsibility ends there. Any subsequent use, legal or illegal, is the responsibility of the buyer.As far as the existing tax disc is concerned, it is a matter for you, as part of the deal, whether you leave the disc on or not. It may form part of the bargain. The new owners will have plenty of time to obtain a VEL and , in any case, although not showing a disc the vehicle will still be taxed to the end of the current month as , as has been said, you can only claim a refund from the start of the next complete month. Your claim for refund must be received by the DVLA (or postmarked) before midnight on the last day of the preceding month.[/quote]Exactly Weegie - it should be the seller that sends the declaration to the DVLA - so be very aware of the implications if the buyer offers to do it for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegie Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 [quote user="nomoss"][quote user="Weegie"] although not showing a disc the vehicle will still be taxed to the end of the current month [/quote]But it is an offence not to display a current disc.[/quote]Yes it is but it will be the buyer's responsibility to make the necessary arrangements.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Driver Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 If you offer a car for sale then start arguing about a few quids worth of tax disc, then you're inviting a potential showstopper. If the buyer decides to say sod it, then you've lost the deal....[:(]Just sell it with the tax on the screen..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 Good advice everyone. We didn't sell it so it's now on eBay for 7 days.I sold a vintage-type car for a friend a couple of months ago on eBay and it was great fun. We had about 200 people looking at it and the bidding went up and up during the last few minutes. Someone from Switzerland even flew in to see it but a German bought it in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 A bit of a mountain out of a molehill here I feel.If you advertise it with tax you sell it with tax and if not you don't, as others have said it's the buyers problem not yours.When you sell the vehicle you fill in the appropriate section of the V5, preferably with evidence that the new owner is giving you their correct details, a driving licence for instance. You then obtain from them a signed, dated AND timed receipt for it so from the moment you hand them the keys and they drive off it absolutely nothing more to do with you and anything it is involved in is no longer your responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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