Chancer Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 Just showed the site to my French pal who has been building, renovating, selling and renting multiple properties since forever, he was very impressed and had not known it was there, we checked out a few that he has sold in the last couple of years and they were present and correct. What was interesting to observe was that he was not in the slightest bit interested in the sales price, the number of pièces principales or the superficie, the only importance to him was the price/m2, the popular range, the extreme highs and lows he would look at the location and the superficie of the plot to see if it had a lot of land (possibly development potential) or very little meaning no parking. I know ALBF has been banging on about it for years but it does make more sense to say you can buy property in troudeculdemondeville for around €1500/m2 than you can buy a house in commuterville for £200000 even knowing the number of bedrooms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael64 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Thank you for the information, Chancer. I'm sure the information will be very interesting, if I could gain access to it! As far as I can tell I need to create 'mon espace', and to be able to do that I need some reference numbers from my French tax return. However, having no French income and not living in France, I do not submit returns in France. We have a holiday cottage (for the next two weeks anyway, as we are about to complete on its sale), and I do have a fiscal reference on the taxe d'habitation, but I need another 7 digit reference which I don't believe I have. Am I stuck or am I guilty of not looking hard enough?I would be interested to know how the price we achieved for our cottage measures up to other sales, but more useful will be prices in the area we plan to move to next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alittlebitfrench Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Look here Mr Michael64...http://www.meilleursagents.com/prix-immobilier/eymet-24500/I set it to Eymet but just change the village/town/city to your choice in the search bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 To get a password for the impots espace you need:La connexion par saisie des 3 identifiants Pour accéder à votre espace, vous pouvez vous connecter en saisissant vos 3 identifiants - votre numéro fiscal, - votre numéro de télédéclarant, - votre revenu fiscal de référence. But you won't have the last of these and possibly not the penultimate one either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael64 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Thank you NormanH. This is as far as I had got - unfortunately I don't have a numéro de télédéclarant. The last one seems to want an amount and I thought my taxe d'habitation would do, but without the 2nd numéro I can't proceed. Thanks also alittlebitfrench. I had a look and it was a help but it doesn't seem to include the details that I think the site originally referred to contains.I will spend more time looking for a way round this. Possibly phone a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted November 29, 2016 Author Share Posted November 29, 2016 It took me several years after (finally) filing tax returns to get the elusive numéro de teledeclarant without it I am not allowed to file tax returns on line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael64 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 In that case I have no chance!We are staying with friends for our acte de vent visit and I could ask them to log in if we haven't got better things to talk about.Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Rosbif vert Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Hi I'm new to the forum and am considering purchasing a property in France. I don't want to be a Brit abroad as I saw in one post on this site and am trying to do my research before I commit. The house price index referred to sounds really interesting to make sure I'm not overpaying but I cant find a site for the area I am hoping to purchase. Aucun - 65400 Haute PyreneesPlease could someone help and point me in the right direction. Also I have asked the Agent seling the property how much the Taxe Habitation would be and I am told that it depends on my income. Is this my worl wide income or just my income in France which is zero!again any help that you can offer would be gratefully received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I don't think you can view that site unless you have an account with the French tax authorities.The taxe d'habitation depends on various things such as income, number in the family and age. If you are resident in France you get a RFR on your tax demand which is the amount that the authorites consider you have as income after certain things have been taken into account.I don't know how it works for non-residents but I would tend to think that you just pay full whack. It tends to be higher on second homes.It's base is calculated on a nominal rental value and each commune decides what % of that it will tax.Have a look at this site:https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F42'montant' on the menu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Put simply, they will screw you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suein56 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Les Rosbif vert wrote :The house price index referred to sounds really interesting to make sure I'm not overpaying but I cant find a site for the area I am hoping to purchase. Aucun - 65400 Haute PyreneesAs ALBF said this site might help a bit : http://www.meilleursagents.com/prix-immobilier/aucun-65400/Sorry you will have to cut and paste the link as I am using Chrome. The site is a tad slow to load but the info for our area was relevant when I input our postcode.Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Rosbif vert Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Thank you suein56 this is most helpful. I can see that the house prices have been falling over the last 10 years (no surprise there.)I was able to do a specific search on the type of house and the price being asked is just over the estimated figure for houses of that type in the area, again no great surprise. The good thing is that the figure I had in mind for the property is within the range calculated by the Immobiliers so I feel more confident that I won't be being an "offensive foreigner" when I make a lower offer.Many thanks for your help it is very much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Rosbif vert Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Thanks Norman & Woolybanana,I am expecting to pay "full whack" and to be "screwed" on a second home. As a potential part time Frenchman I'm not expecting to be able to obtain any discounts on the tax.The site seems says that "...the municipalities may decide to apply a mark-up between 5% and 60%", so that will be 60% then! What I still seem to be missing is 60% of what, I appreciate that its the nominal rental income for the house involved but where can I find out what that is? I have asked the agent selling the property how much the tax is but all she says is that the seller didn't pay it as she was an old lady! I vaguely remember reading something that the full tax before discounts is shown on the back of the tax demand form, so I'm not sure what they cant tell me what that figure is. Am I missing something here?Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pommier Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 You could ask at the Tresor Public, as we did some years ago when we were interested in a house. The agent told us the TdH was about 400 euros, the TP told us it was over a thousand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 "The site seems says that "...the municipalities may decide to apply a mark-up between 5% and 60%", so that will be 60% then!" (not necessarily: La taxe est égale à la multiplication du montant obtenu par les taux d'imposition votés par les collectivités territoriales. What I still seem to be missing is 60% of what": THISValeur locative cadastrale Définition mise à jour le 04 avril 2016Niveau de loyer annuel potentiel que la propriété concernée produirait si elle était louée. Sert de base de calcul aux impôts directs locaux : taxe d'habitation, taxe foncière, cotisation foncière des entreprises (CFE).Code général des impôts : articles 1409 à 1413: Article 1409That is to say there is a notional rental value and this is multiplied by a figure decided by the local council, which differs from one to another..As a rough rule of thumb both my TDH are just a little less than the TF and that is easy to find out.I would also point out that the sitehttp://www.meilleursagents.comis estate agent based, so NOT a record of actual prices paid, whereas the one that you unfortunately can't get access to is a record of recent real sales and prices.That was the whole point of the debate earlier on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Rosbif vert Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Yes that's what I'm worried about. I will ask at the TP as suggested.Many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Rosbif vert Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 That's great. Many thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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