Dog Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 This seems incredible - not only have they alledgedly just about got away with misusing NHS equipment and fraud invovling a supplier but one has been suspended for a year - I BET ON FULL PAY and no loss of pension. I wonder if this pair would admit membership of the local lodge?http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/essex/7969068.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali-cat Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 [quote user="Dog"] This seems incredible - not only have they alledgedly just about got away with misusing NHS equipment and fraud invovling a supplier but one has been suspended for a year - I BET ON FULL PAY and no loss of pension. I wonder if this pair would admit membership of the local lodge?[/quote]More than likely membership of the Labour Party, along with the rest of them who seem to have no morals regarding "perks of the job". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Criminal offences have been committed so why no prosecution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 [quote user="woolybanana"]Criminal offences have been committed so why no prosecution? [/quote]It would be said 'It is not in the publics interest'. Friends in high places... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali-cat Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Who? Is it Gordon ..... or Harriet ....... or Tony ..... or? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 [quote user="Dog"] I wonder if this pair would admit membership of the local lodge? [/quote]You are on your hobby horse again, Dog!What "Local Lodge"?Dozens of 'em.And since this is a big closely guarded secret, it is freely available for all to see on the Web!Here: http://www.essex-lodges.org/family_tree.aspClick on the graphic and it will open a pdf window so you can enlarge it and read all about the "Secret" societies in Essex.Wow![;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 Please save me the tedium - are they members or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 How on earth would I know?In your conspiracy-confused state, do you honestly believe that all freemasons living in a county know all the others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 [quote user="Dog"]Please save me the tedium[/quote]You took the words right out of my mouth. I rather fear you may be flogging a dead hobby-horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 perhaps a dead Dog might be more desirable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Or digging a hole for himself.Once again..................[IMG]http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/Michaeleff/DiggingaHole.gif[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali-cat Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 You must admit. It keeps him amused & gives us a laugh. [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 [quote user="Gluestick"]How on earth would I know?In your conspiracy-confused state, do you honestly believe that all freemasons living in a county know all the others? [/quote] So another good reason that public sector workers should declare membership of the Masons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 [quote user="Dog"] So another good reason that public sector workers should declare membership of the Masons.[/quote]The Houses of Windsor and Parliament would be a good place to start.John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 10/10 not many people realise Parliament and the Lords are public servants.I think it is well known that various wasters in the so called House of Windsor are senior Masons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Yep!Such a huge hidden secret it's all over the web.........................again!http://www.ugle.org.uk/news/gmspeech-110309.htmNow personally, I have discovered that Simon Cowell is in fact the secret leader of the New World Order: that's why HM The Queen had a pop at him in the media this week.Along with Kate Moss, the well known cocaine tester for the Medallin Cartel, who is the secret British Agent for the Illuminati, Cowell is due to travel to Davos next year, after he leaves the Bildaberg conference.Meanwhile, Wayne Rooney has been made Rector of Trinity College due to his language skills. As well as elected as Prior of..............It was at this point the little men in the white came and carted the delusional writer away. [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Redman Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 They only part I thought was beyond the pail was charging the costs of removing the seats. But if people with those kinds of attitudes are allowed to work for the state then no wonder abuse happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 You have been sniffing glue again!Such upstanding people in your link - a major freeloader preaching to his cult members giving praise to a thrice married man that has alledgedly carried out one of the biggest ancient art thefts ever!Keep dreaming sonny...The truth will out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 "alledgedly"Your spelling is markedly worrying for someone who claims to have been a master printer.Amongst a number of other activities..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 You pay - I spell proper.What's the problem can you not support your cult leaders any better?Run out of smoke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Sadly, Dog, not only can you not spell - if you believe you were correct - your knowledge of the meaning of words also leaves much to be desired.A "Cult" is, well perhaps Conspiracy Theorists, for example! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 Oh whited sepulchre - it took me less than 30 seconds to find - surprise - you also make typos!Do I have to quote time and date? Please explain - A "Cult" is, well perhaps Conspiracy Theorists, for example!It doesn't make sense.Your use of quote marks is absurd.What level of Freemasonry have you got to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 A small list of Masonic diversionary tactics1 Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it - especially if you are a public figure or Lodge official. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.2 Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.3 Create rumours. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumours and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumours'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumour' which can have no basis in fact.4 Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.5 Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'wirdos' 'loonies' 'left-wing', 'terrorists', conspiracy theorists' 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.6 Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well on Internet forums where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning - simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.7 Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.8 Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutiae' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.9 Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.10 Associate opponents arguments with old news. A derivative of the straw man usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with. Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually them be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues - so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.11 Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the 'high road' and 'confess' with candour that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made - but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, 'just isn't so'. Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later. Done properly, this can gain sympathy and respect for 'coming clean' and 'owning up' to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.12 Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to loose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.13 Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact.14 Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best for items qualifying for rule 10.15 Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.16 Vanishing evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.17 Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.18 Emotionalize, Antagonise, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, annoy and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism'.19 Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.20 False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.21 Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly exposed and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the forum ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Good grief!You are like a dog with a bone [:P] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Dog, you would seem to have described the behaviour of most members of the Cabinet, but I doubt the masons would have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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