pachapapa Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Apparently nowadays three year degrees in Engineering are not well regarded.So four years at Imperial would cost a total of £ 36,000 , assuming of course that there are no future increases in the annual tuition fee.[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyF Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 And that's something to smile about, PP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 [quote user="KathyF"]And that's something to smile about, PP?[/quote]I smiled at the improbability of not even one teeny weeny annual increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 As far as I am aware, if it goes up it would not affect the fee that those who are signed up already. Won't affect those starting this autumn either, they will pay the current fee level for all their course.My friend has just finished her first year and her fees will not rise either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 They do go up every year, though. My youngest was paying £3000 3 years ago. Last year/this year (although he paid a reduced fee because he was/is on an industrial placement) the full fee would have been £3290. He's just had his notification of next year's fees and it's £3375.So, although his (and most other) University intends to charge £9000 from 2012, that could increase still further in subsequent years..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 Imperial will do so for 2012 entries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 My brother has two children at Imperial - I wonder if they will ever work.One just bought an old motorcycle and realised the rectifier was broken, and a new one cost 70 quid so he was going to make one.So I guess he learned something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I suppose it will be considered irrelevant to this thread because my contribution will (yet again) fail to mention the word "Imperial", but apparently I was told that in at least one field of engineering, the professional body is announcing that they anticipate around 135 applicants for every available graduate position this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted July 4, 2011 Author Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote user="You can call me Betty"]I suppose it will be considered irrelevant to this thread because my contribution will (yet again) fail to mention the word "Imperial", but apparently I was told that in at least one field of engineering, the professional body is announcing that they anticipate around 135 applicants for every available graduate position this year. [/quote]The best institutions will attract more applicants; not much sense saving £ 500 per year and ending up with a pass degree from the Strechford College of Technology.[I] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Oh, I see. Silly me.[:D] Of course they'll attract more applicants. Some, however, won't get in. Some (heaven forfend) won't want to go to Imperial in the first place..... I know, I know, hard to believe, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I was at an interesting conference (Institute of Civil Engineers) about 10 years back and the President was saying how he had noticed that the "half life" (no idea why he called it a half life instead of just saying the importance) of a degree had dropped significantly in the years that he had been in the profession. With another ten years having passed, in which technology has leapt forward even faster, I wonder how important the degree actually is now. I guess it gets somebody that first or second job, but after that it must be experience that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbie Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Two points. 1. Tuitions fees in the UK vary depending on where you are resident.2. Perhaps there is a need to have students sponsored by companies through their university course or to increase the number of apprenticeships so people can be trained to do vital jobs at a cost they can afford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote user="JohnM"]I was at an interesting conference (Institute of Civil Engineers) about 10 years back and the President was saying how he had noticed that the "half life" (no idea why he called it a half life instead of just saying the importance) of a degree had dropped significantly in the years that he had been in the profession. With another ten years having passed, in which technology has leapt forward even faster, I wonder how important the degree actually is now. I guess it gets somebody that first or second job, but after that it must be experience that counts.[/quote]It's the ICE that's now saying they'll have 130-odd applicants for every job. I just read in today's Independent on the train (where I left it) that there will be something like 53 graduate applicants for every one job this year, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I didn't see that. I suppose the trouble is that most big civils projects are government and there isn't the money. I hope things do pick up soon, it gives a false impression of the current value of that degree. (I can see that the half life will drop, but not that much). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 After 4 years at Imperial a course in management would help the engineer's promotion prospects.Just an extra full time year at the Cass Business School sounds suitable.How about the fees then...... ....The MBA tuition fee for the next intake is £31,000. This is payable in two instalments, with the £2,500 deposit payable on acceptance.Wow! So that makes a total of £ 67,000 ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted July 9, 2011 Author Share Posted July 9, 2011 At this stage of PPPs search for knowledge the actual outlay for fees was zero. Those were the days when one could get an education without bankruptcy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I must ask my brother how much it has cost him, my niece just finished at Imperial. My brother and his wife got the Royal Box for the ceremony (good job I wasn't there). My niece now tells me I must address her with the following bumf added BEng MA Msc DIC ACGI whatever that means. I told her to get a job... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Fortunately, even in the UK, there are a still some seats of learning where a postgraduate degree can be obtained for free...[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 [quote user="Dog"]My niece now tells me I must address her with the following bumf added BEng MA Msc DIC ACGI whatever that means. I told her to get a job...[/quote]LOL That's fine when it's recently acquired or when having family banter with aged relatives, but why do some people insist on mentioning their qualifications (and or job title) in "inappropriate" situations. I heard one of the radio the other day and instead of listening to what he had to say, I was thinking "you silly, pompous a***, why do you etc etc etc...."John (Law & Promise, Knots, Map & Compass, Local Knowledge, Photography, 6 mile hike and Advanced Scout Standard) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share Posted July 10, 2011 [quote user="Dog"]I must ask my brother how much it has cost him, my niece just finished at Imperial. My brother and his wife got the Royal Box for the ceremony (good job I wasn't there). My niece now tells me I must address her with the following bumf added BEng MA Msc DIC ACGI whatever that means. I told her to get a job...[/quote]DIC Diploma Imperial College. ACGI Associate City & Guilds Institute.In my days there were only the three constituent colleges; Royal School of Mines, Royal College of Science; all awarding an Associateship in addition to the University of London Degree.Nowadays things have mightiliy changed with Imperial now a University and Faculties extending across West London like an octopus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted July 16, 2011 Author Share Posted July 16, 2011 Next brush with improving himself for PPP was visits to Wolverhampton for the BA Mod Langs Joint Hons in German and French. Wolverhampton seem to be proposing £ 8,500 per year for their 2012 tuition fees but a review of their Prospectus indicates that serious language studies are no longer pursued at this Institution of Learning. They would appear to be now competing with Assimil and Linguaphone. So it looks like the routing via Bridgnorth will change to Kidderminster.The University of Birmingham seem to be flush with serious language courses but their proposed fees for 2012 are £ 9,000 per year, so that will be another £ 36,000.[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickles Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Why not look at the OU language degrees?regardsPickles (ARCS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted July 17, 2011 Author Share Posted July 17, 2011 [quote user="Pickles"]Why not look at the OU language degrees?regardsPickles (ARCS)[/quote]The post is written in the past tense and at the time 1987 Wolverhampton was the easiest drive from Ludlow in Shropshire.Whilst the pending changes to University Tuition fees is the principal thrust of the thread, in 1987 the fees were marginally less than £ 300 per year.At that time it was impossible to obtain a grant in respect of undergraduate course if one had already received one for an earlier completed undergraduate course.As Italian and Portuguese were available as supplementary modules in addition to the French and German, it seemed fairly reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 The International Trade Law Module studied in conjunction with the BA(Hons) Modern Language Course led to an interest in UK Law.So the Common Professional Examination seemed the right choice for PPP.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Professional_ExaminationWhat a bargain with similar content to a degree in law.The City University Law School, a sister institution to the Cass Business School, looks suitable.http://www.city.ac.uk/law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Sounds like there is a professional student around here somewhere [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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