clareS Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 After recent car problems I am now questioning all information received!! Our maire told us we no longer need a carte de sejour, he was going to check with the prefecture and we have heard no more!!Anybody else know anything about this? Have they been abolished now, or are we once again illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juxtapose Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 [quote]After recent car problems I am now questioning all information received!! Our maire told us we no longer need a carte de sejour, he was going to check with the prefecture and we have heard no more!! ...[/quote]From September 2004!! Ifyou are English they now say that you do not need one, anymore!!All that trouble we went through, a few months ago!! Ha! Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clareS Posted November 18, 2004 Author Share Posted November 18, 2004 Phew, that's good news, one problem less! Thanks very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 We don't have to have a titre de sejour anymore. However, if you are going to be working here, then I would suggest that you apply for one anyway. Certain organisms may well ask for one, depending on where you live. And if your prefecture says that they don't do them, well they have to. Contact the British Consulate or the french Interior ministry who will put them straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juxtapose Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 [quote]We don't have to have a titre de sejour anymore. However, if you are going to be working here, then I would suggest that you apply for one anyway. Certain organisms may well ask for one, depending on ...[/quote]What is a "titre sejour"?I know they will not issue carte sejours in this area, no way, as from September! A friend of ours has to take a letter to organisations that ask for one, stating the rules have now changed!He got the letter from his accountant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pucette<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Pucette<FONT><P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">"Qui ne connaît pas la campagne lhiver, ne connaît pas la campagne et ne connaît pas Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 titre de séjour = carte de séjour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 The carte de sejour changed it's name a couple of years ago to titre de sejour.AND you and anyone else who wants one has every right to a titre de sejour....... as long as you qualify. Prefectures who say otherwise are incorrect, as I said, check up with the Ministre d l'Interieur or the British Consualte. The law says that they are not obligitory and not that they are no longer issued. Some functionnaires say ne porter quoi and some Prefets seem to believe that they are laws unto themselves, which they are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistral Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 "S'ils en font la demande, il leur est délivré, dans des conditions précisées par décret en Conseil d'Etat, un titre de séjour, sous réserve d'absence de menace pour l'ordre public"It's article 14 of Law number 2003-1119 of 26 November 2003 http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/WAspad/UnTexteDeJorf?numjo=INTX0300040L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Themselves they some do the request, it is delivered for them, in conditions specified by decree in state Counsel, a stay title, under reserves threat absence for the public order"It's item 14 of Law number 2003-1119 of 26 November 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val_2 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Trouble is that without an identity card like the CDS and not a proper french driving licence with your french address on it etc you have only your british passport as proof of identity when asked for it at certain checkouts when writing large cheques. When our latest CDS's run out in 7 years time I shall apply again as no way am I carting a very expensive British Passport round with me,apart from the embarressment of presenting it in front of other shoppers who will think I am a tourist, I have had a french driving licence for years but that is a pain to get out and unravel from it's holder each time. My daughter HAD by demand of the prefecture here in 29 to obtain her titre de séjour once she was 18 and was not allowed to learn to drive without it,in fact, she had to wait three weeks before she could start until it arrived and was verified by the driving school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcap Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Hi from Redcap!We asked at our Mairie, and they said 'don't need one as of July 04 when they received the directive'. Even though we said we really would like one, seems they are quite happy as it's less work for them! They photocopied the relavant directive for us, as wife questioned the need for one when she applies for a job. We intend to pop into a job agency such as Manpower and ask them if they will insist on CDS. regards,Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Redcap, copy the law down and take that in and say that you would like one. Mistral put the link up after all. So unless you don't qualify for them, (don't think so) then they have to sort them out for you. You can either do this via your Mairie or your Prefecture. It is true that we are under no obligation to have them anymore, but we can have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 If you look back through the posts you will find (unless it got lost in the coversion) that we discussed this before and that the law on CDS came in to effect on the 27th November 2003 although it often takes time for this to work it's way down to the grass roots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phenix Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 We were advised a good six months ago that Carte de Sejour are no longer being issued - part of europe and all that jazz! a passport is the only form of photo identity unless modern uk driving licence held. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Phenix, you were informed wrongly then. If you want one, you can ask for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 TU is correct, you don't need one but you can get one if you wish or some authority asks you to get one. When we registered with the Chamber of Commerce they demanded we have one. When I pointed out that it was not a requirment he said something like 'well it is for us'. Mind you I had to get a letter from him to take to the prefecture to get one as they point blank refused on the first attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutralzone<EM>Lets not <STRONG>bitch!<STRONG><EM> Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 From September 2004!! Ifyou are English they now say that you do not need one, anymore!! Juxt..... surely you mean................ BRITISH!................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millymollymandy Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 I have one, but Rennes Prefecture refuse to change the address on it as "It's no longer issued to the English" (Their words, English).My question is, if I insist on having it changed, will I HAVE to go to the Prefecture or can I insist that my Mairie does it?Has anyone applied for a proper French Identity card? We're thinking of doing this, as I now have no ID with my current address on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Millymollymandy, I believe that they are perfectly within their rights to not change the address on them now. It no longer needs doing. In the past the mairie would send them off to the prefecture to get the address changed. There is no way that the Mairie can touch your card.Even when the correct address is on your card, it was never used as proof of address anyway, I don't know of anyone who would accept other than a recent utilities bill to prove that.Also I am always refered to as an anglaise, I can't remember anyone saying britannique to me. So I'm pretty sure that jux was right. The french I know have problems understanding the differences between welsh, scottish and irish, they are pretty sure that they are really all les anglais. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juxtapose Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 [quote]From September 2004!! Ifyou are English they now say that you do not need one, anymore!! Juxt..... surely you mean................ BRITISH! ................[/quote]Nope...............Mean....................ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you heard the one about "The Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman????????????Wanted to put a funny joke here, but you'll have to wait until hubby gets home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pucette<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Pucette<FONT><P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">"Qui ne connaît pas la campagne lhiver, ne connaît pas la campagne et ne connaît pas Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Le Petit Robert saysAnglais: De l'Angleterre (au sens étendu de Grande-Bretagne)not to be confused with Britannique: Qui se rapporte au Royaume-UniIn other words Anglais encompasses Scottish and Welsh as well as English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutralzone<EM>Lets not <STRONG>bitch!<STRONG><EM> Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 In other words Anglais encompasses Scottish and Welsh as well as EnglishAnd also Northern Irish people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draig Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 I guess it didn't mean people from Northern Ireland as they are from the United Kingdom not Great Britain, although it would be interesting to know if the French include Northern Ireland as part of their definition of Angleterre.But (and this should probably be another thread as it's going wildly off topic!) just because 'Anglais' is used in France to describe everyone from Great Britain does it mean that we are comfortable with its' mis-use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pucette<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Pucette<FONT><P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">"Qui ne connaît pas la campagne lhiver, ne connaît pas la campagne et ne connaît pas Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Absolutely, people from Northern Ireland are britannique, not anglais.I don't think that it's misuse; rather that anglais and English don't have quite the same meanings; to say precisely that someone comes from England you would have to say "de l'Angleterre mais ni de l'Ecosse ni du Pays des Galles" or something similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistral Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 My question is, if I insist on having it changed, will I HAVE to go to the Prefecture or can I insist that my Mairie does it?I wouldn't try it, to be honest. When I moved from one dept to another, I went to get the address changed and they made me go through the whole process again, all the paperwork, everything It took the same amount of time as the original one, I had to pay a second time and in the end it only lasted until the moment the old one would have run out. I don't know how much of that was really necessary but I didn't really feel like fighting with the "bureau des étrangers" in marseillesHas anyone applied for a proper French Identity card? We're thinking of doing this, as I now have no ID with my current address on it.I'm in the process of doing this but I'm having to wait for Nantes to send me my French birth certificate before I can give them back the form. All the rest of the family have theirs, they're much quicker, cheaper and easier than CdS, but, of course you need to be French to have a French ID card. Remember, when the authorities ask for proof of residency, they ask for an EDF bill not the CdS or ID. Most French people don't bother changing the address on their ID's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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