Boiling a frog

There does seem to be a lot of "" You chose to come to France you you will just have to live with it"" attitude, and that is from fellow Brits who are inhabiting these forums. They are obviously not affected by the fall in value of their pensions. ,not that I think that the UK should bail us out, not like many of the comments on here during the health refusal crisis.

His brother works for EDF [:)]

[quote user="johnycarper"]We have been told that we can tell the our maire .[/quote] Is she somethink like Our kid  [:)]

[quote user="NormanH"][quote user="Simon"]Don't you mean...the pound is less than one euro?[/quote] As my title said 'Pound below Parity'..but the replies are inexplicably  all in this this thread. [/quote]   Dont feel sad http://www.completefrance.com/cs/forums/1498948/ShowPost.aspx#1498948   Just for you[kiss]

We were both entering at the same time

[quote user="Maricopa"] [quote user="Boiling a frog"]I do not quite see the point you are making. [/quote] That the average British person resident in France is less concerned about the tourist rate, and that therefore there is no need to cause unnecessary worry. [/quote]   I was not aware that this forum was for the exclusive use of British persons who were French residents ,in fact I would suspect the majority are not French residents so therefor would be concerned about the tourist rate.

[quote user="Maricopa"] Tourist rates again. 1.11 according to this site. [/quote]   I do not quite see the point you are making. A normal punter coming to France or for that matter anywhere in the euro zone will receive the tourist rate, and in some places one will receive less than a euro per pound. The average punter could not care less about the interbank rate they are only interested in the euro contra the pound in their pocket.

Survey has revealed that changing 200 pounds into euros will give you less than 200 euros http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7782234.stm  

[quote user="ErnieY"][quote user="Boiling a frog"] I can see one tiny problem If the OP does not have an address in the UK how 1) Is the garage going to register it with no UK address 2) is the OP going to get insurance (UK) 3) is the op going to get road tax when they do not have insurance.[/quote]Not a problem at all BAF. A garage can inform DVLA that a car is 'in trade' hence there will be no need to register or tax it. Subject to it's expiry date (and it doesn't just 'expire' anyway) the existing French insurance will cover it whilst a sale or PX takes place which equally nullifies the point about UK road tax. [/quote]   I think you have the wrong end of the stick I am talking about the car which the OP is going to purchase and then drive on UK roads(well at least to the ferry port or tunnel ).

[quote user="Clair"][quote user="Debnfamily"][quote user="Boiling a frog"]In schools there is no explicit prohibition of corporal punishment  and correction is allowed the same as for parents[/quote]Oops - I thought it WAS prohibited, which is why I girded my loins and went and complained (I thought I was on solid ground).  The teacher didn't correct me when I told her the law said she shouldn't hit the children and that in my view, flinging them around by their clothes came under this umbrella.  So they are allowed to strike children then?  That doesn't seem to be the view of a lot of people - some of whom are teachers.  I would like to be sure on this, in case anything happens again.[/quote] [quote]Pour l’école élémentaire, les « réprimandes » sont laissées à l’appréciation des enseignants. Deux restrictions sont toutefois apportées, l’interdiction de châtiment corporel ainsi que celle de la privation de la totalité de la récréation. source (in French) and in Google English HERE.[/quote] [/quote]   It is sometimes interesting to see how a country views itself and in comparason how an outside agency sees the same country The Global Initiative to end all corporal punishment of children are a body recognised by the UN A couple of extracts from their briefing dated 2008 This briefing describes the gaps in prohibition in France, despite repeated recommendations by the Committee on the Rights of the Child and by regional human rights mechanisms. We hope the Review will highlight with concern France’s record of ignoring treaty body recommendations and strongly recommend that France introduce legislation as a matter of urgency to prohibit corporal punishment of children in all settings, including in the home.   I: Legality of corporal punishment in France The home Corporal punishment is lawful in the home under the parental “right of correction” in customary law. Children have limited protection from violence under the Criminal Code. Research reveals a high prevalence of corporal punishment of children. A study published in 2007, by the Union of Families in Europe, found that of 2,000 grandparents, parents and children, 95% of adults and 96% of children had been smacked; 84% of grandparents and 87% of parents had administered corporal punishment. One in ten parents admitted to punishing their children with a “martinet” (a small whip); 30% of children said they had been punished with a martinet.1 A survey carried out in 1999 by SOFRES for the organisation “Eduquer sans frapper”, found that of 1,000 respondents over half (51%) who had children hit them often, a third hit them rarely, and only 16% had never hit them.2 Schools and other settings There is no explicit prohibition in law of corporal punishment in schools, where “light correction” is tolerated in the same way as for parents. A High Court ruling in 1889 allowed a “right to correction” for teachers; a ruling in 2000 stated that this did not apply to habitual and “non-educational” corporal punishment. In the penal system, corporal punishment is unlawful as a sentence for crime and as a disciplinary measure in penal institutions. There is no explicit prohibition of corporal punishment in alternative care settings.   Full briefing http://www.aidh.org/ONU_GE/conseilddh/examen/Images/Fr-GIEACP.pdf   So on the one hand the Global initiative are extremelly concerned about the lack of legislation banning corporal punishment in schools while a French teaching union takes a differing point of view.

I can see one tiny problem If the OP does not have an address in the UK how 1) Is the garage going to register it with no UK address 2) is the OP going to get insurance (UK) 3) is the op going to get road tax when they do not have insurance.  

I get the same message [:)]

I have read this thread with interest. How many times have people said  "" We have come to France because it is just like England was 50 years ago"". And now they are finding out that it is true the bad  as well as the good things. One of the cultural differences is the attitude and laws regarding corporal punishment of Children Corporal punishment is lawful in the home under the parental right of correction. Children only have limited protection under the penal code. 87% of parents have administered corporal punishment ,1 in 10 have admitted using a martinet(a small whip) In schools there is no explicit prohibition of corporal punishment  and correction is allowed the same as for parents In the 19th c a court ruled that teachers had the right of correction and in the year 2000 a further case stated that habitual and non educational  corporal punishment did not come under the umbrella of the right to correction . So corporal punishment is common in France and carries over into the classroom. I have witnessed  violence against children in France which would not be tolerated now in the UK but was common place 50 years ago. It  must be a huge cultural shock  for young British children suddenly confronted with violence, shouting and screaming in a language that they cannot understand  or have difficulty with while behaving in a manner which is not the accepted norm for French children.  

If the vehicle is untaxed then you will automatically receive at the last registered address a fixed penalty of aroud 80 pounds, as DVLA will assume that the vehicle is in the UK and is untaxed. (unless of course it is exempt from tax) However it appears that you are playing a game here, why ask the question when you know the answer.

One for the expat experts! I have a UK registered car (registered in my name and at my UK address) that I brought over here over 3 years ago and that I dont use, I have not registered it here neither have I declared SORN on it. What laws am I breaking?       The UK registered car is in your name and address and you live at your address in the UK ? You have not declared the vehicle off road (SORN)? Have you told DVLA it has been exported?

[quote user="ErnieY"]My understanding is that he wants to take his French car to UK and let his UK resident son drive it whilst there. [/quote] If  that is the case then If he is French resident then he can take his car to the UK ( the old 6 months in a twelve month period) and he can allow his son to drive it occasionally Here again, however, the prohibition has to be interpreted reasonably. One cannot prohibit a holder of this exemption from carrying out the routine tasks of daily life or responding to duly substantiated exceptional circumstances. For instance, the Commission considers that the prohibition on lending such a car does not apply when the holder is on board but the car is being driven by a resident of the Member State of temporary "importation". Neither can one treat as prohibited lending a situation where a resident of one Member State, temporarily visiting his family or friends in another Member State, allows a member of the family or a friend to make occasional use of the car. Extracted from http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/com_en.pdf There are also rules regarding students etc. If he is a UK resident then he cannot take the French registered car to the UK , see my previous post re ANPR cameras and clamp down

[quote user="Will"][quote user="Boiling a frog"] Otherwise everyone in the UK would register their car in France(for example) and by that means avoid UK road tax. [/quote] I know people who do that, and seem to get away with it. So whatever the law is, it does not seem to be enforced.   [/quote]   I believe their days are numbered http://www.regtransfers.co.uk/number-plates-news/DVLA_foreign_numberplates151008.asp

allanb Perhaps if you told us your precise problem then perhaps someone would be able to help. EU directives 83/182 and 83/183 lay out the principals . In simple terms the rules have been designed so that people cannot registerer a car in an EU country of their choice, they must register their car in their country of residence and they cannot drive a car registered in another EU country in their country of residence. Otherwise everyone in the UK would register their car in France(for example) and by that means avoid UK road tax. There are exemptions but until you tell us your situation no one can guess a solution    

On a serious note ,all you ever needed to know about Bananas http://www.rbooking.com/banane/index.asp

The legislation regarding registration is not yet in force so NO NEED TO REGISTER L'obligation d'enregistrement en mairie des citoyens de l'Union européenne, d'un autre Etat partie à l'accord sur l'Espace économique européen et suisses s'applique aux seules personnes entrées en France après l'entrée en vigueur d'un arrêté qui doit fixer le modèle de l'attestation d'enregistrement délivrée.  Cet arrêté, du ministre de l'immigration, de l'intégration, de l'identité nationale et du développement solidaire, n'a pas encore été publié.  Nos fiches l'intégreront dès sa parution. 

I do not know what the fuss is about, the police in the UK have been using skin colour and ethnic origin codes for at least 20 years  to impute into the PNC (police national computer) and is one of the search facilities available . On The Bill when you hear someone say that the person is an IC one it means white european List of codes http://www.tilehurst.net/infopool/ic.html

I think that a sense of reality has to be injected into this subject . As you are a UK passport holder there are no controls on entering or leaving France, no stamp in passport, no visa requirements,and at the moment no requirement to register your presence in France with the Mairie ,the prefecture or indeed anyone. No one is going to come knocking at your door asking if you have comprehensive medical assurance or if you have sufficient funds not to be a burden on the state. It is also highly unlikely( but not impossible)  that the tax people will hunt you down especially if you are only renting a house from friends. Problems will happen if you fall ill. Due to the new rules you are not entitled to join the French health system so if you do not want to fork out money you will need  health insurance. The French have stipulated that this health insurance must give the same benefits as their own health system.This is perfectly logical ,ie stipulating what health cover is required.Why stipulate a lesser cover? If you end up in hospital you will need to pay up front and then claim back the money from you assurers, but I doubt if anyone is actually going to ask you for your medical assurance policy. Individual assurance coys have differing ideas on what is excluded or included, what are preexisting conditions and what level of cover one gets. It is a simple matter, when asking for quotes for insurance, of telling the insurance coy if you have any medical conditions and then they will determine whether you are or are not covered.   Regarding having sufficient funds, again no one is going to demand proof but on the other hand, do not expect any hand outs from the French state, because you will not get any. Lastly the 5 year residency rule. No one ,at the moment, has any experience as to what proof the French will require that one has lived in France legally for 5 years. These rules have only recently been introduced so it is anyones guess just what type of proof will be required.  

[quote user="Hagar"] Taking a broader view one can argue that ALL state benefits,pensions, public service pensions etc are actually paid for by taxing those in the "private sector" . Taking contibutions from public sector workers to then pay them benefits later is simply the treasury recycling the taxes paid by the private sector. rgds Hagar         [/quote]   Well  Blow me down I did not realise that Public sector employees did not pay income tax, National Insurance, VAT or excise duty.

And just another correction. Manchester Airport fire brigade are NOT public servants like the  Fire service. They are employees of Manchester Airport .All airport fire brigades are employees of the owners of the airport, pay scales, terms and conditions of service therefor vary and I bet that a private coy are not going to allow employees to take ill health retirement just on a whim . 

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