Russethouse Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Well I don't fancy any other power, having a veto over the Uk's budget for example, and I suspect there are many that would say 'any other power, especially one in which the Germans play such a key part........'As Micheal Portillo said last night on This Week, for many people holding on to UK sovereignty is a really major issue I must be naieve but all this talk of stricter rules and imposing sanctions etc - what good will it do ? A country is in trouble so you impose a sanction, how does that help ? It seems to me it would just make it worse......Will there still be a Euro in 10 years time ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Now the french president says anything he fancies and having a go at Cameron is easy peasy. France rather likes other people to do things, especially if they have suggested it, but hesitates before it jumps in itself.I suppose that the question is, will France really obey these new rules? ROFL.............. By the time things have gone through the french parliament, it'll be all over and done with won't it?...........to euro or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 And the 33 nations of CELAC unanimously support the argies on malvinas sovereignty.http://en.mercopress.com/2011/12/05/the-33-nation-celac-grants-full-support-to-argentina-in-the-falklands-dispute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 What has that to do with this thread ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Expression of absolute marginality as a comparison to being truly marginalised on the spectrum of international marginalisation.Not loved in europe but not loved at all in latin america and the carribean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 I doubt if much has changed in regards to Latin America etc..... We're an island nation, we're used to standing alone...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 [quote user="Russethouse"]Well I don't fancy any other power, having a veto over the Uk's budget for example, and I suspect there are many that would say 'any other power, especially one in which the Germans play such a key part........'As Micheal Portillo said last night on This Week, for many people holding on to UK sovereignty is a really major issue I must be naieve but all this talk of stricter rules and imposing sanctions etc - what good will it do ? A country is in trouble so you impose a sanction, how does that help ? It seems to me it would just make it worse......Will there still be a Euro in 10 years time ?[/quote]Another reason why the UK may not want to be part of this is because they have not been able to balance their budget since 1937.The Germans are paranoid about spending all their money propping up other member states. They remember only too well what happened between the wars and the sort of government they ended up with which took them in to a second world war.Interestingly one of the reasons Germany has become so 'cash rich' is because they save. This sort of goes against what was discussed on this forum a year or two ago where people were putting links to films on YouTube explaining that to make money you have to borrow. We have all borrowed and borrowed and borrowed where has Germany has not to anywhere near the same degree. We are all in a mess and they are not yet they are having to help bail us all out. You can sort of see their point of view.The reason for having central control over balancing budgets is simple, if you have a common currency then you need to have fiscal control and centralised over it. This should have been sorted out before the first Euro note ran off the presses. It's sort of closing the gate after the horse has bolted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekJ Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 What I'm still confused about is this. We had been hearing that the eurozone had until last Friday to save the euro. All we seem to have heard about is Cameron's position and the subsequent possible result of that. But what was done to take immediate action to save the euro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 [quote user="DerekJ"]What I'm still confused about is this. We had been hearing that the eurozone had until last Friday to save the euro. All we seem to have heard about is Cameron's position and the subsequent possible result of that. But what was done to take immediate action to save the euro?[/quote]Nothing really, they are just talking about what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekJ Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 So there was no real significance about last Friday and they can continue to scrabble around for a solution and get round to doing something at some date in the future. Meanwhile????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickP Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 I just love it, B&B owners who live in France telling the British government how to handle our affairs, and then the troll from the west of France poking his nose in about the Falklands. At the end of the Falklands skirmish I took my son to Southampton to see the Canberra return from the South Atlantic with the Parachute brigade on board, by golly! they frightened me; so I'm sure the argies wouldn't want them back on their doorstep, walking all over them like last time. [:P] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 [quote user="DerekJ"]So there was no real significance about last Friday and they can continue to scrabble around for a solution and get round to doing something at some date in the future. Meanwhile?????[/quote]Well its a sort of yes or no type answer. The bankers are happy because they (the EU) have talking about and have decided roughly what they must do and with the exception of the UK they will write a new treaty to do what they have talked about and that will not be till the new year at least. You know what it's like, yes they all agree but now we have to get it down in writing which could take up to a year or even longer.All the time they spend thrashing out the agreement the banks and financial institutions continue to be unregulated and can do as they wish. After the agreement is signed off every bank in the EU, with the exception of the UK, will be regulated and to pay for the cost of regulating every 5 Euros or whatever you pay to move money between Euro banks will be taxed.I would have thought that the British public, after all the venum we have seen in the UK press, would have been delighted that whilst the UK government don't have the balls to deal with the UK banks (and the huge salaries and bonuses) the EU does but then all this is hidden under the table in the UK news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just john Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 [quote user="greyman"][quote user="NormanH"]France is in the Euro. Why post here if you don't feel part of the community?[/quote]Which community Norman ? The forum ? France ? The EU ? The Eurozone ?I don't think being part of any community denies me an opinion or obliges me to blindly follow it's follies. If this community were to elect a communist government I'd have some things to say about that too.The post related to Cameron's veto and whether 'we' are now marginalised. I assume 'we' is the UK and as a UK citizen my views were given from that standpoint. The whole euro project has been a farce which events are now showing and the ludicrous attempts to fix it in arrears are a farce too. Unfortunately the UK will be dragged in to the resulting mess anyway.By the way I have an interest because I still have a business, a property and money in the UK but live in France. I'm a true European [:D][/quote]I presume from this Normy has taken French Nationality? . . . so why is he posting on the english forum now?I'm with Greyman on the Euro as Rick said Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow, but soon, like the family waiting for repossession to see who gets there first, the bailiffs, wonga.com , or their neighbour who beat them up a while back, with his demands. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 [quote user="NickP"]I just love it, B&B owners who live in France telling the British government how to handle our affairs, and then the troll from the west of France poking his nose in about the Falklands. At the end of the Falklands skirmish I took my son to Southampton to see the Canberra return from the South Atlantic with the Parachute brigade on board, by golly! they frightened me; so I'm sure the argies wouldn't want them back on their doorstep, walking all over them like last time. [:P][/quote]We have just as much right as any other UK subject. Our pensions are all tied up in the UK and many off us have families still living there. Yes, I agree, there is no point in mentioning the Falklands, it disrupts the flow of the thread. However some of these B&B owners actually fought in the Falklands and lost good mates there, but thats enough about that subject for this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 You might have the right but you are in a 'different boat' with a 'foot in both camps' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickP Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 [quote user="Quillan"][quote user="NickP"]I just love it, B&B owners who live in France telling the British government how to handle our affairs, and then the troll from the west of France poking his nose in about the Falklands. At the end of the Falklands skirmish I took my son to Southampton to see the Canberra return from the South Atlantic with the Parachute brigade on board, by golly! they frightened me; so I'm sure the argies wouldn't want them back on their doorstep, walking all over them like last time. [:P][/quote]We have just as much right as any other UK subject. Our pensions are all tied up in the UK and many off us have families still living there. Yes, I agree, there is no point in mentioning the Falklands, it disrupts the flow of the thread. However some of these B&B owners actually fought in the Falklands and lost good mates there, but thats enough about that subject for this thread.[/quote]If you say so. [Www] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 [quote user="Russethouse"]You might have the right but you are in a 'different boat' with a 'foot in both camps'[/quote]If I were French it might be different but I am a British citizen, my passport says so and that does give me the right. Having foot in both camps may actually be a bad thing for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Zoff Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 I'm all for moderating the forum to stop people going too far off topic or deliberately disrupting the thread. But telling people they are not eligible to post on a thread seems to be going too far. If someone has been accepted as a member of the forum, provided they abide by forum rules, they should be as welcome to express their opinion on any thread as anyone else. Or perhaps I have missed something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Il faut viser large, AZ, sinon ça ne fonctionne pas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 10, 2011 Author Share Posted December 10, 2011 And the fall out begins......hasn't taken long, has it?Might not be a bad thing if the coalition is the first casualty.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/8948776/EU-treaty-David-Cameron-faces-cracks-in-cabinet-over-veto.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 AZ, we are all entitled to a view and that incudes me [:)]My view is that if you are a Brit living in France you have a different perspective to someone who lives in the Uk. Its nothing to do with moderating.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 [quote user="Russethouse"]AZ, we are all entitled to a view and that incudes me [:)]My view is that if you are a Brit living in France you have a different perspective to someone who lives in the Uk. Its nothing to do with moderating....[/quote]Quite agree!Just the normal standard worthless myopic view.Nothing personal;Directed towards the general mindset of the insular nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 What really matters is what the average bog standard german thinks, the rest of europe will muddle along assuming that the situation stabilises. The words treachery and sabotage are being voiced in germany, rightly or wrongly the germans consider that they have already largely contributed to preventing the eurozone and implicitly the european union from financial collapse. If german leadership succeeds in correcting the listing ship in time of storm the treachery of cameron will be remembered; if german leadership fails to save the bacon the treachery of cameron will NEVER be forgotten.Perhaps a stark reality for you, your leader and your casino banking system.Maybe "marginalised" is just a tad euphemistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Very true ppp. Having had a few Germans stay during the summer, at one time a whole house full, they all thought that Greece should have departed the Euro a long time ago but stayed in the EU. The EU should then have put somebody in place in Greece to help them sort themselves out and once they had they could re-apply to join the Euro. They also blamed the EU for letting Greece join in the first place because they (the EU) knew the Greeks were lying about balancing their budget but let them join anyway.Likewise I would have thought that as many of the British think the banks and financial institutions should be regulated and made to pay for the grief they have caused that they would have welcomed the agreement as it seems clear the current and previous government are both reluctant to regulate them. One only has to read the 'comments' in the English papers when ever the subject comes up to see how angry they appear to be about lack of regulation.After the cost of reunification and having to pay out even more money to support the Eurozone (Greece and Italy in particular) I can understand the average Germans frustration. In many ways I think they have been quite restrained but that does not mean to say that if things continue to get worse there may be quite a backlash amongst the average Germans.All I can see for the future is the UK becoming more and more marginalised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 For those interested in what the Germans are saying try these two links (both in English)The Failure of a Forced Marriage'Cameron Is a Coward' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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