idun Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 I do so hope that this photo will show up, as I find it fascinating.It shows population density and why so much of France is 'rural' and explains property prices too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betise Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Thanks TU, that's strangely beautiful, and also illuminating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 Yes, I think that it is beautiful too. I could hang something like that in my house to be honest. So not only beautiful, but it really 'highlights' population density[Www] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Enlightening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alittlebitfrench Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Looks like it was taken when Rouen exploded the other day. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinBretagne Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Property prices? A lot of the very expensive parts of the UK are very dark.Belgium is interesting, a lot of the light from there will come from street lighting as many of their major roads are lit, something that Germany paid for for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 I agree about UK property prices, but in comparison to France it is only 'little'. And the dark areas in the UK. well, they are often 'beauty spots and second home owners etc have inflated prices horribly so that the locals have problems buying. I don't need to get started about UK property prices, they are disgraceful, disgusting and I am so terribly sorry for the young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 [quote user="idun"] .......................I don't need to get started about UK property prices, they are disgraceful, disgusting and I am so terribly sorry for the young.[/quote]And no UK government of any stripe is ever likely to do anything to force them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patf Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 What's the area at the north of Italy which is densely populated? I thought there were mountains there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 It is that area of Italy that often wants independence as that is the money making region of Italy and from what I gather many inhabitants have little time for rest of the country especially the south.It is from the Po Valley and Turin to Milan and on to the far east of Italy and the border with Slovenian. It is a passage of non mountainous land between where the Appenines finish and just south of the Alpes, anything 'lumpy' are what I would call foot hills.We have driven across that way a few times bailing off at Bolzano and up to the Austrian Tyrol via the Brenner Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Id, you are spot on about the attitude of people in northern Italy to those further south. I heard about this time and time again when I was teaching English to Italian students.Indeed, you could say the same about the Catalonians' attitude to the rest of Spain. But I digress from maps at night. For a really stark contrast, you need to look at one of these maps of northern and southern Korea. The south lit up like a gin palace and the north shrouded in darkness. In the case of the Koreas, the darkness is physical as well as metaphorical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 Ah yes I have seen the satellite photos over Asia, and NK is simply 'black'.Makes me wonder just how much light the rest of us need to be honeset...... me thinks rather too much light pollution.[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patf Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I'm not very good at geography - never knew there were 2 mountain ranges in that area. I thought it was only the Alpes.Love and War in the Apennines by Eric Newby is a good book - he found the rural, poorer folk in that area very kind and helpful. Though there were fascists around too.I wish we had been able to do some exploring there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 I think that our Pennines (word) comes from the Appenines in Italy as they run along the lenth of the country veering off to the west as they reach the far north and then more or less stopping before that brightly lit area.I do find these nightime satellite maps fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardengirl Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I find those maps fascinating too.We’ve had some wonderful stargazing these last few nights/early mornings in the Gard, almost as though we could touch them from the balcony or our bedroom window. There are very few lights nearby, and the streetlights aren’t at all powerful and point downwards so very little light pollution.At home in Berkshire streetlights near us have been changed for less powerful ones, and point downwards, far less light pollution there now so stargazing is far better than it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinBretagne Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I (re) read Love and War in the Apennines this summer, it’s a book that I really like. I can’t remember if I’ve ever read the sequel but it’s on my list of things to do.The lit up northern plain in Italy is one of my least favourite parts of the country but that could just be that you tend to have to pass through it on the way to other places. I wasn’t far away from there last Saturday when I was enjoying the sunshine at Lugano. I could see into Italy even if the closest I got was halfway across the lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alittlebitfrench Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 [quote user="Patf"]What's the area at the north of Italy which is densely populated? I thought there were mountains there?[/quote]Lyon and Grenoble ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted October 10, 2019 Author Share Posted October 10, 2019 They meant that great band of light in the north of Italy just south of the massif of the Alpes, which are rather dark. Lyon is quite bright on the map, Grenoble /Chambery less so.And the award for the brightest EU country must go to Holland, I have no idea why they need so much night light, but it is amazingly bright[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cajal Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 [quote user="idun"] And the award for the brightest EU country must go to Holland, I have no idea why they need so much night light, but it is amazingly bright[:D][/quote]It will be generated from all their cigi-lighters being used to spark up their joints and spliffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted October 10, 2019 Author Share Posted October 10, 2019 [:D][:D][:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patf Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 @ BritinBretagne - I've got the sequel bookmarked to order:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Small-Place-Italy-Eric-Newby/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulT Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 A number of years ago my OH surprised me with a night flight from Gatwick up the North Sea to near the Arctic Circle to hopefully see the Northern Lights - unfortunately hope evaporated.The flight back wa noce down the North Sea and then to the West there was a very bright orange glow. We were told that it was Edinburgh.Where I live in Lincolnshire the local authority decided that to save money they would switch some of the street lights off at midnight. Howls of protest:'we no longer feel safe' etcA couple of years on total silence on the matter. The density of lights could well be reduced.As for astronomers perhaps in a large number of areas it is best to be a radio astronomer.From the night images it surely shows that something needs to be done about external lighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxadrets Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 The light in Holland is from the greenhouses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cajal Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I'm guessing here. I would say the bright star like location near the top right corner has to be St. Petersburg. Can anyone confirm/reject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patf Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 @ Cajal -Could be, but more likely Moscow. Which is more inland.I think St. Petersburg is on the Baltic coast. My GG grandfather was master of 2 ships sailing from NE England into the Baltic to trade coal for pine trunks for pit props. And I know he got as far as St. Petersburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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