Bugsy Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 [quote user="Frenchie"][quote user="cowoman"]..and couldn't stand the scene of Cherie going round shaking peoples hands and grinning as if she had been elected ! [/quote]Sounds like Carla to me ! [/quote]At least Carla is pretty, Cherie Bliar is scaringly ugly. A real 'two-strong-bags' model..............[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 You re all so hard with your home country.....There are not only negative things there..My dream would be to have a home in both countries..Carla, yes, she's pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 [quote user="Bugbear"][quote user="Frenchie"][quote user="cowoman"]..and couldn't stand the scene of Cherie going round shaking peoples hands and grinning as if she had been elected ! [/quote]Sounds like Carla to me ! [/quote]At least Carla is pretty, Cherie Bliar is scaringly ugly. A real 'two-strong-bags' model..............[:D][/quote]Seen her up close once in a track suit (her not me), bag of spanners comes to mind . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Je ne comprends pas " bag of spanners" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 [quote user="Frenchie"]Je ne comprends pas " bag of spanners" [/quote]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bag%20of%20spanners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Now I know, thanks Clair ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 It all went wrong when the Crown Prosecution Service was introduced and decisions to put offenders before the courts were taken away from Police It all went wrong when the Police had their hands tied behind their back when it came to dealing with offenders on the streets and they had to justify everything they said and did for fear of complaints encouraged and supported by lawers getting rich from the legal aid system ....Result we now we have a police service where within it self preservation is number 1.... avoid a complaint at all costs ...keep your head down ...just think of getting through to the pension . whatever you do dont upset anybody ! . Now the streets are unsafe .and .the prisons are full of people who just might have been diverted away from crime if sorted out early enough in their lives if the Police were listened to and let do the job as they used to......Child P today is an example ...Police said "Put in care " they were ignored ,,we all know the result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowoman Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Its a feeling of helplessness. It feels like no one is listening, things are not right in all walks of life but there is nothing that you can do about it, After a while you just think Ive got to get away from it. An exanple of one thing that got my goat is.....My son is just learning to drive and his mate had a nice car for sale so being as it was a bargain he bought it with his works bonus. We parked it on the drive and it hasn't moved from day 1. He got a letter in the post with an £80 fine attached because he hadn;t informed officials that it wasn't taxed, He appealed but still had to pay £80, .My mom got a fine the other day because she put her blue badge in the window of her car upside down. She appealled but to no avail. She is 86 so you would have thought that would have counted for something, but no. I find it soooo wonderful to be able to drive into the local french village and am able to park at any angle I like in the square and there isn't a double yellow line in sight....oh heaven!!!!! Its the little things that count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Yes I have to agree Cowoman and Frederick... Reading through this thread I see a lot of posters took issue with Jura's original question. I have to say, having read a fair few of Jura's posts since I have been lurking around this board, that I don't always see eye to eye with her opinions but on this occasion I think she asked a fair question and didn't shirk from the fact that Australia has its own problems...I don't doubt for a second that France has its fair share of problems as well but I think there has been a notable and definite decline in social standards in the UK, the whole "human rights" issue has brought with it more problems than it has solved - consequently there is a lack of respect for authority and the healthy fear that breeds. I see it in my own neice and nephew who are in their early teenage years. I would never have dreamed of talking to my teachers the way that they talk to their's - and there is very little they can do about it (and my niece and nephew are not particularly badly behaved either). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 [quote user="Frenchie"]Now I know, thanks Clair ![/quote]Ah but do you understand a "double bagger" ? [6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 [quote user="J.R gone native"][quote user="Frenchie"]Now I know, thanks Clair ![/quote]Ah but do you understand a "double bagger" ? [6][/quote]That is really not nice [:@] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowoman Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 wots that then??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 It wasnt me wot said it Miss it was that Gary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 [quote user="J.R gone native"] [quote user="Frenchie"]Now I know, thanks Clair ![/quote]Ah but do you understand a "double bagger" ? [6][/quote]No, but it doesn't seem to be PC [:)]Come on ; spill the beans ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Picture the scenario Frenchie.You're Tony Bliar, lying in bed and feeling amorous. You look across and see[IMG]http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p211/Bugbear2/sharpencherie4.gif[/IMG]Wouldn't you reach for a couple of head-sized bags before going any further ?.[Www][:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Right ...... well.... I get it now ...But me being a man,[blink] and being Tony Blair........... [Www] A bit hard to imagine ... [:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Frenchie, best not to use the word "hard" at all in this context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowoman Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I dont think hard comes into this conversation with that ugly toad in the same sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Now you're being a bit unfair to toads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odile Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 it takes all sorts. some Brits leave the UK like rats leaving a sinking ship - some soon realise the new ship they jumped on is leaking badly.I have been in the UK for 39 years, in several locations. There have been bad times, and very happy times mostly. Just about to go back to my roots in the Jura- but I shall leave a great big part of my heart in England. England is a very beautiful country- with so many absolutely amazing places and countryside- and so many wonderful people. Of course there are bad things and bad people, as everywhere- definitely including France. There are huge differences between a Cite or Zup in France, or a council estate in the UK - for all sorts of reasons- but the difficulties/problems/dangers are very similar. Get La Haine video/film, and you'll see what I mean. If you move from a council estate in for ex. Bradford and you move to a cute village in the Yorkshire Dales, the difference would be 'similar' to moving to Dordogneshire - apart from the weather and the cost of housing! And if you want better weather, go to Cornwall or Devon (hmmmm, yes I know house prices!) - much better than many French areas.Rats or lemmings - don't escape - go forwards for a new adventure with your eyes open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Seconded 200 % ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 All comments on any subject are usually based on personal experiences, a fact that many seem to forget on this forum. (not just this forum, of course)No one should say that anything is all bad (or good) simply because of their own experience. (well, apart from the labour government) joke for Ron [:D]I spent a long time in the NHS and am fairly qualified to speak on it. Today, generally, its still a superb service at the sharp end but overloaded and hampered by the top end. The rot set in following the introduction of trusts in 93/4 when thousands of fifty year managers were removed and replaced by the new breed of exec and non-exec management. Those removed were usually people who had worked their way through the particular department/service and knew the job backwards. The wonderful expression "You do not need that experience to do the job" was born and salaries were doubled overnight " You need to pay the money if you want to attract the right people" being another one. Does anyone know, for example, that in the UK, there are now more senior managers than there are beds [:-))]In france, I've no (fortunately) personal experience of hospital care, but have been to see a couple of specialists and the system of a referral by your doctor followed by an almost instant appointment with the consultant, is pretty efficient. Whether this is so throughout france, I have no idea.Gary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegwini Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I waited nearly 5 months to see a 'consultant' podiatrist, and the x-rays of my foot were not even sent to him. Five minute appointment and only advice given. I hobbled around for more than a year, and at the time was working full-time. In 1990 I needed to see a specialist gynae - also waiting list for over 3 months. Fortunately OH had BUPA so I saw the same specialist in Oxford, at the same hospital, the same week, but self funded - in spite of both paying NIC.And, our joint NIC contribution now is a few hundred pounds, excluding what our employers also pay for us.I know that this is supposed to include pensions etc., but my pension is not far off the EMA money that 16-18 year old school /college children get. - hence I still work - and have to. And this EMA money (is this a politically cunning bribe from Tony?) is not unusual, I sign many forms daily.Tegwini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowoman Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I fell down the stairs and broke my ankle on hol in france two years ago.I was really impressed with the care that I got.I went to hospital where I was x rayed and then my leg plastered all in the same building and hardly any wait at all. I was then advised to have a daily injection of blood thinning stuff incase I got a DVT I thought that they were fussing as I had never had this on previous broken bones in the UK. But they insisted and sent a nurse into our home to inject everyday. No problems.My problems started in the UK when I got home,the doc said I didn't need the injections he said they were going over the top with the care. To cut a veeerrrryyyy long story short with lots of frustration and pain thrown in...I got a DVT and the UK nurses injected into my muscle instead of my fat (and I have mostly fat let me tell you ) In fact how they managed to find any muscle is unbelievable. Anyway with an agonising painful stomach I went off to A and E where I narrowly escaped having my appendix taken out. But I insisted that I didn't want this done as I felt that they had got this wrong. I had an ultrasound scan which showed I had bleeding into my muscles caused by the injections. On arriving in the ward a nurse wrote down all my history on a sandwich bag which she had in her pocket. The consultant came round and called me by another name and thought I had something different wrong with me than my real problem. Boy was I glad to get out of that place.....It was like an asylum. This was in one of the countrys brand new hospitals,so god help the old failing ones!!!I m now petrified of hospitals and feel for all those old people without the fight that I had in me to stand up to the system and say no. I imagine that old people have been wheeled off into surgery mistaken for someone else .I imagine that old folk have had things cut off because of mistaken identity.......oh my imagination.I know the NHS do do some good things but I can only tell it as I found itP.S The EMA is just a con it sounds like all kids staying on at school get it but if you earn 30,000 between two parents then you dont.In my sons class only one person gets it whos parents work and this is because his dad works for a hotel and his wages look low on paper but is made up massively by tips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowoman Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Good pointI find it wrong with EMA that they dont look into individual circumstances either.If you are earning 30,000 a year with two people working but have a mortgage and six other children...or less or more whatever the case maybe It is different than someone earning the same amount in social housing and only one child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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