One Year Lease

[Evianers]

Please, please can anyone point us in the direction of where we can find a [non-standard] French lease, i.e. one for 12 months not the normal 36 months. We have looked on FNAIM and although there is a certain amount of information, we really need to download a copy and peruse it at our leisure, checking for any hidden pitfalls. Hidden Pitfalls? It is doubtless a minefield for the unwary. TIA

[mini-mum]

What do you mean by a "non-standard" French Lease? I think that you are confused between a lease for unfurnished property which is normally for a minimum of 36 months and one for furnished property which is normally for a minimum of 12 months - do you mean the "Standard" lease for furnished property?

[Teamedup]

No Evianers is not confused. What Evianers wants is a one off one year lease on the property. This is possible to do in exceptional circumstances.

Evianers have you not contacted those people I mentioned to you some time ago about rentals etc.

[mini-mum]

[quote user="Teamedup"]

No Evianers is not confused. What Evianers wants is a one off one year lease on the property. This is possible to do in exceptional circumstances.

Evianers have you not contacted those people I mentioned to you some time ago about rentals etc.

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Teamedup, which exceptional circumstances might that be, and on what type of property - please explain.

[Teamedup]

A standard lease has to be for 3 years.

In exceptional circumstances, ie the proprietaire is wanting to move into the property, then a one year lease can be negociated. As I said, exceptional circumstances.

 

Think that there is something about this on the service-public site.

[mini-mum]

[quote user="Teamedup"]

A standard lease has to be for 3 years. Not quite correct teamedup, you should look up leases for furnished and unfurnished, as there are 2 different lengths of contract.

In exceptional circumstances, ie the proprietaire is wanting to move into the property, then a one year lease can be negociated. As I said, exceptional circumstances. Think that there is something about this on the service-public site. Can't find anything on this teamedup - would you care to give the link to where it says that a one year lease can be negotiated on what you refer to as a standard lease?

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[Teamedup]

Yes, but as Evianers leasing is a bit of an ongoing thing on here then I knew that normally they had to have a three year lease.

 

http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/particuliers/F1614.xhtml?&n=Logement&l=N15&n=Location&l=N289&n=Secteur%20priv%C3%A9%20:%20logement%20vide&l=N292

 

and the rest is all there.

[mini-mum]

[quote user="Teamedup"]

Yes, but as Evianers leasing is a bit of an ongoing thing on here then I knew that normally they had to have a three year lease.

Yes, but a lot of people reading it would not have known about it being an ongoing thing, and you should have made it clearer.

 

http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/particuliers/F1614.xhtml?&n=Logement&l=N15&n=Location&l=N289&n=Secteur%20priv%C3%A9%20:%20logement%20vide&l=N292

and the rest is all there.

Thanks for the link, it's just what was needed!

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[Eslier]

My understanding of this is the same as teamedup. All lets of more than six months come under the:

"Loi No. 89-462 du 6 juillet 1989"

which provides a minimum contract term of three years. Furthermore, the owner must give at least six months notice prior to the end of the three year term if they wish to end the contract or it will automatically be deemed to have been renewed for a further three years.

A contract can only be for a shorter period (less than one year) where the owner can prove family or professional reasons why this should be necessary and these reasons must be clearly detailed in the contract. In such curcumstances the advice of a Notaire should be sought before entering into such a contract to confirm the legality of the clause - or risk that it might be challenged and fiond that your tennants can stay for the full three years.

As far as I could find out the only variance from this is for furnished accommodation which is treated as a holiday let and restricted to a maximum of six months.

[Teamedup]

Eh ho, isn't my place to explain other folkses posts is it? I'm just a poster here too.

And I did look up this one year rule especially for you even though I had said that it was on the service public site, as you didn't seem to have found it.

[mini-mum]

[quote user="Teamedup"]

Eh ho, isn't my place to explain other folkses posts is it? I'm just a poster here too. - But it's your place to explain why YOU posted something that read wrongly. The only problem here is the fact that you don't like to be corrected when you're wrong - throwaway remarks like "A standard lease has to be for three years" need correcting. People aren't mind readers and a lot of us don't spend so much time on this forum as you so you should be precise in what you write if you don't want people to misunderstand you.

And I did look up this one year rule especially for you even though I had said that it was on the service public site, as you didn't seem to have found it. - AND you got thanked for it so the little dig about it being just for me is rather unnecessary, but then you are probably still upset over being corrected, so perhaps we should just put it down to you being you.

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[Teamedup]

And again, I am not duty bound to make sure that you have understood or not. Evianers was pretty clear that they didn't want the usual 36 month lease, but the reduced one. And all this indicated unfurnished, without making too much fuss about it.

 

Believe me, I do not feel corrected and can't even begin to imagine what you thought your were correcting, I know what the regs are concerning furnished and unfurnished property and this one year business too. Why give me stick, when I told you to look on the service-public web site, it was all there. And on that I'll leave this alone now and hope that Evianers manages to get this sorted out to their satisfaction.

 

 

[Evianers]

Oh dear boys and girls! Our hard disc needs to be replaced having gone all woggely, and what happens in the few days we are away? Calm down everyone.....

However, many thanks, especially TU. Yes, it is an on-going problem. We bought this lovely residence three years ago because we could see the way things were going in the UK {where we have not lived for more than 30 years BTW}. Prices sky-rocketing. Agent said "mais..... pas ici en France Madame...." Hate to say it, but guess who has been proved right? Property has increased by some 69%!

First set of tenants were supposed to stay until the end of the lease, but Monsieur lost his job: second set of tenants ditto, but they found something to buy in the beautiful Evian regions. Both had signed leases for 36 months but then as we all know, the tenants have all the rights in France and the owner none so they are also moving out on 22 May. 

As we will finally retire next year, we need a lease for ONE YEAR = quite right TU, under exceptional circumstances, totally in order. Thank you for your help, for your support, and for your postings explaining everything so clearly. Yes, we did contact CiL in Lille - closest to us - and they were helpful but could not provide exactly what we needed. However, have found certain information under "Service Public"- vos droits et demarches.

This is a rather special circumstance and not too many people know that the facility exists. Fortunately we are now - quite out of the blue - negotiating with prospective tenants who are building in Thonon and wish to rent for only one year. We shall have everything buttoned up tightly before we sign, don't worry.

Thanks again for your help TU.

Have a happy day everyone - and thank goodness we are back on line = suffering withdrawl symptons being without this infernal machine!

[TarnGranny]

[quote user="Teamedup"]

And again, I am not duty bound to make sure that you have understood or not. Evianers was pretty clear that they didn't want the usual 36 month lease, but the reduced one. And all this indicated unfurnished, without making too much fuss about it.

Believe me, I do not feel corrected and can't even begin to imagine what you thought your were correcting, I know what the regs are concerning furnished and unfurnished property and this one year business too. Why give me stick, when I told you to look on the service-public web site, it was all there. And on that I'll leave this alone now and hope that Evianers manages to get this sorted out to their satisfaction.

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How arrogant to virtually say that you don’t care whether people understand you or not.

I read Evaniers’ posting and it was not clear at all to me and probably a lot of other people – it didn’t indicate to me that Unfurnished was indicated so why shouldn’t someone query that?

I’m sure that you know exactly what you were being corrected on, it was your careless remark that “A standard lease has to be for 3 years” If you knew that there were 2 types of leases then you should have made it clear which one you were talking about and thereby save any confusion. People read this Forum to learn things, not to be expected to be mind readers. Still, as it says above you don't seem to care whether people understand you or not.

[Evianers]

How sad I am this morning to read that our original posting has caused such acrimony. [Having said that, hopefully, everyone will have learned that there is indeed a very specialised lease for 12 months under exceptional circumstances which they may not have known before].

We stopped posting on this website a while ago because comments could and often did become heated. Such a pity! Perhaps it would be best to review postings before actually pressing the 'send'button.

Nevertheless, thank you again to the people who provided constructive advice.

[mini-mum]

[quote user="Evianers"] ..............We stopped posting on this website a while ago because comments could and often did become heated. Such a pity! Perhaps it would be best to review postings before actually pressing the 'send'button........[/quote]

Evianers, it is a pity, but this Forum is no different to most others. The fault lies in certain problems that afflict a lot of people who become regular posters on any of the Forums - an interesting article can be found on this link that was posted previously: http://www.stevepavlina.com/articles/effective-online-forum-usage.htm - it would help a lot of people to perhaps see themselves in a different light if they took some of the advice to heart!

[Teamedup]

I have seen enough arrogance on this thread to last me a while.

And the psycho babble about board use........... posted especially for me was it dear?

 

 

 

[Tresco]

[quote user="mini-mum"]

The fault lies in certain problems that afflict a lot of people who become regular posters on any of the Forums [/quote]

Or indeed those who come steaming in, picking fights for no apparent reason, making wild assumptions about the time people spend on the forum, and apparently re-writing the forum code of conduct while they are at it.

 

[Evianers]

PAX folks, PAX!

[mini-mum]

[quote user="Teamedup"] I have seen enough arrogance on this thread to last me a while. And the psycho babble about board use........... posted especially for me was it dear? [/quote]

Unfortunately most of the arrogance on this thread is yours!

The link regarding forum addiction wasn't posted especially for you, you're not that important, but you certainly seem to have all the negativity problems that the author mentions.

[mini-mum]

[quote user="Tresco"][quote user="mini-mum"] The fault lies in certain problems that afflict a lot of people who become regular posters on any of the Forums [/quote]

Or indeed those who come steaming in, picking fights for no apparent reason, making wild assumptions about the time people spend on the forum, and apparently re-writing the forum code of conduct while they are at it.

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Tresco, you're another one who could do with reading the article on this link and taking it to heart:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/articles/effective-online-forum-usage.htm

[Teamedup]

If you have nothing better to add than that then why post?

 

[Russethouse]

[quote user="mini-mum"][quote user="Tresco"][quote user="mini-mum"] The fault lies in certain problems that afflict a lot of people who become regular posters on any of the Forums [/quote]

Or indeed those who come steaming in, picking fights for no apparent reason, making wild assumptions about the time people spend on the forum, and apparently re-writing the forum code of conduct while they are at it.

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Tresco, you're another one who could do with reading the article on this link and taking it to heart:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/articles/effective-online-forum-usage.htm

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Mini-Mum - Have you ever looked to see where this piece of writing you admire so much, actually comes from ? A site to do with 'personal development', not to do with moving to France, or helping people settle in a different country or anything remotely related.

To use it as a model for general forum rules is inappropriate IMHO

Now you may admire this excerpt greatly, but  I'm afraid not everyone here will share your opinion.

 

 

[Tresco]

[quote user="mini-mum"]

Tresco, you're another one who could do with reading the article on this link and taking it to heart:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/articles/effective-online-forum-usage.htm

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Why do you say that, mini mum?

[mini-mum]

[quote user="Russethouse"][quote user="mini-mum"][quote user="Tresco"][quote user="mini-mum"] The fault lies in certain problems that afflict a lot of people who become regular posters on any of the Forums [/quote]

Or indeed those who come steaming in, picking fights for no apparent reason, making wild assumptions about the time people spend on the forum, and apparently re-writing the forum code of conduct while they are at it.

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Tresco, you're another one who could do with reading the article on this link and taking it to heart:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/articles/effective-online-forum-usage.htm

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Mini-Mum - Have you ever looked to see where this piece of writing you admire so much, actually comes from ? A site to do with 'personal development', not to do with moving to France, or helping people settle in a different country or anything remotely related.

Russethouse, obviously I've looked. And you're quite right, it is nothing to do with France, it is to do with helping people with Forum Addiction and which I have offered as a help to anyone on this site who needs it, and some certainly do.

To use it as a model for general forum rules is inappropriate IMHO

I agree with you, it is absolutely nothing to do with being a model for general Forum rules, and I never said it was - as I said above it is to help people who don't realise what they are becoming by being addicted to Forums.

Now you may admire this excerpt greatly, but  I'm afraid not everyone here will share your opinion.

Yes, it would be a very boring world if we all had the same opinion, which is why I am able to offer my opinion that it would help a lot of people to read the article properly and take the advice.

 

 

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