Chris Head Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 What do they do? How do they work? I've never used one, they seem expensive at 200 sterling and up, I need something that will sand curvy and undulating surfaces quickly and to a good standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkhunter Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Humans are endowed with best sanding tool ever, fits every curve ( wife will vouch for that ) and it's free, just add sand paper and away you go??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 [quote user="Chris Head"]What do they do? How do they work? I've never used one, they seem expensive at 200 sterling and up, I need something that will sand curvy and undulating surfaces quickly and to a good standard. [/quote]It's not something I've used either . You might be better off with one of the new generation 'mouse' style sanders. You can pick up ones like black and decker for well under £70 even for the top models. I use a cheap one for getting into awkward spaces but it depends on your needs. Here's an example:http://www.blackanddecker.co.uk/products.asp?catno=KA270K&hierarchyID1=365&hierarchyID2=416&hierarchyID3=421&lid=1&mktid=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Had a look at the link. I notice that sander seems to collect Cyclonic Dust. Do they do models that collect ordinary dust ? I think most of my sanding just creates "bog standard" dust - nothing cyclonic about it.Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Head Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 Like you could be seen with that in the workshop! I've never seen cyclonic dust either, it sounds dangerous.I'll give that a go tonight Hugh, you might hear the screams from there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Cyclonic dust collector means it uses the cyclone system like a Dyson !!!!!!!![:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonzjob Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Hi Chris, this looks a bit more like it http://www.axminster.co.uk/category-Dual-Action-Sanders-150mm-206929.htm . Cyclonic irrigation will be the next bit. I didn't even know they existed till now!?I'm not too sure if it will get 'into the corners' too well though. I have a Makita random orbit sander. It's a great bit of kit. It removes unwanted wood very quickly with a 60 grit disk and will give a nice finish as you go up through the grits, especially if you use a slightly worn 240 disk. For fine detail I have a Bosch detail sander. The little tryangle thingy. There are a couple of special 'fingers' that replace the tryangular head, one flat and one convex along the length. Very handy for getting at alkward places. I would think that the 2 were a fair bit cheeper that the dual things too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Smith Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 That is amazingly expensive! I've got a great little detail sander, made in China, Screwfix, under £20. Only problem is it blows the dust straight into your eyes...So the most important thing is these, safety glasses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Head Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 I know they seem expensive but I'm wanting to give an effecient and higher standard of finish to carved aspects of my work, I'm suprised none of you lot have one or have used one. I'll post a piccy of what I mean at the weekend....if I haven't topped my clients by then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave&Olive Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 hi chris ( will post pic soon ) ok dual action sanders iv`e got a dewalt one shaped like an angle grinder and a metabo dual orbit sander. they have been used in car body repair for ages but woodworkers have found them very usefull .. the dewalt has 2 settings first one is just basically like an angle grinder for rapid removal the second setting is fixed orbital sanding i.e. the sanding disc revolves and the disc itself revolves this sometimes leaves little tiny 88888 in the finnish hence I bought the metabo dual orbit one ,this also has two settings but both random orbit ,one in a larger circle than the other. i did buy a cheepie to start off with but threw it in the bin why you ask ???? ok the cheepie if it lifts off for just a second it overruns and when you put it back on the wood it will leaves great big marks untill it slows back down . the expensive donot over run on no load, and after say 20 mins sanding with a cheepie you will not feel you wrists for 2 hours. in the words of tommy walsh buy the best you can afford and buy once.I use mine a lot and with the dust extractor fixed to it it is dust less, i have even sanded the plaster board with it. dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 But even without the over-run surely these machines are to big for detail sanding? with a 100mm flat bed it would be hard to use on soft curved surfaces like wood? I think a detail sander with precision attachments would be better for the job stated? True, always buy the best you can afford but buy the right tool for the requirements in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Head Posted October 5, 2006 Author Share Posted October 5, 2006 OK I think I understand now Dave, that's great info. I'm sorted for detail sanding, the dremel, and Makita powerfile do most of the intricate work.The ladder frame is a good example of what I want to do with the sander, the frame itself is sanded with a 40 grit flap disc from a rough chainsaw finish, would one of these sanders have given a better finish on the undulating 'carved' surfaces of the frame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Have you considered a spoke shave for curves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megans mum Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 HiHave a look at an orbiyal sander, they are amazing pieces of kit and dont leave sanding rings and will access most places easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megans mum Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Sorry....that should say Orbital Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 I agree that Orbital sanders are great. I have found that sometimes if using sanding sheets with pre-cut dust holes, they can occasionally leave a few fine squiggle lines on the wood. However, either using plan sheets or punching your own dust extraction holes (cheaper as well) no problem.How come orbital sanders are so much cheaper than dual action (or random orbit) sanders.Also, all the dual action/random orbit sander I have seen recently use special velcro sanding discs that are very expensive (at least very expensive compared to standard sanding sheets used by orbital sanders).Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave&Olive Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 hi ok there is a vast differnce between random orbital sanders/ orbital sanders and dual action sanders . really not enough space here to post the differences ,but ..........Chris cut this old oak ???? may be chestnut beam up with a chain saw attacked it with an angle grinder fitted with a wire brush to get rid of the wood worm and then the metaboo random !!!!!!! and then finnishing oildave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave&Olive Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 ps you can get the velcro discs from lidle at €2.49 for 50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Head Posted October 10, 2006 Author Share Posted October 10, 2006 Looks good Dave, is them genuine antique French breeze blocks? I'd say from the colour they're c1850? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonzjob Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 no they are older than that Chris. The artwork is obviously from the Firedart period of the 1700s. That beam won't last as long as genuine MDF though [Www]...If you want to give it a good home Dave then you are welcome to deliver it here [I]? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icmenuiserie Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 for profile sanding you need a bobin profile sander try ebay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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