DENTIST IN FRANCE

[NickP]

[quote user="pachapapa"][quote user="NickP"]

Pachapapa wrote: " I usually pay around € 80 for a crown; € 8000 phew I'd expect at least a new head."

I'd be interested to know where you get those from and what the crowns are made of ?  because even on the NHS ten years ago the price was around £250 [8-)]

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They are definitely not gold.[:D]

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I bet they aren't, as today's prices in the real world ( France & the UK) ordinary crowns  are around £450/£500.

[pachapapa]

[quote user="NickP"][quote user="pachapapa"][quote user="NickP"]

Pachapapa wrote: " I usually pay around € 80 for a crown; € 8000 phew I'd expect at least a new head."

I'd be interested to know where you get those from and what the crowns are made of ?  because even on the NHS ten years ago the price was around £250 [8-)]

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They are definitely not gold.[:D]

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I bet they aren't, as today's prices in the real world ( France & the UK) ordinary crowns  are around £450/£500.

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I bet you Anton's are not gold either.[;-)]

[Chancer]

[quote user="NickP"][quote user="pachapapa"][quote user="NickP"]

I'd be interested to know where you get those from and what the crowns are made of ?  because even on the NHS ten years ago the price was around £250 [8-)]

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I bet they aren't, as today's prices in the real world ( France & the UK) ordinary crowns  are around £450/£500.

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Well my porcelain crown cost €300 net, a gold one would have been considerably less but I cant remember how much and I think there was another cheaper option, and of course extraction which is what most of the local populace opt for.

Given the cost of dentures cited and how moche and gormless most of the toothless locals look, some of them are very young, the cost of crowns, bridge work etc seems a good but expensive investment.

I shall have to ask my dentist diving buddy if having a gap between teeth makes them weaker and more prone to breaking.

[Frenchie]

[quote user="Chancer"]

I shall have to ask my dentist diving buddy if having a gap between teeth makes them weaker and more prone to breaking.

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Do  you know how this is called ??     " avoir les dents du bonheur " , like Vanessa Paradis ...

[Patf]

I've heard of an english superstition that a gap between the 2 front teeth means you're going to be wealthy.

But I don't know of an expression for that in english.

[bubbles]

They're Terry Thomas teeth!

[hakunamatata]

So, if I dont have any front teeth does that mean I am going to be stinking rich? Not after a bill like that I'm not !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 At least I seem to have given several of you a good laugh. Donations will be gratefully accepted !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Théière]

[quote user="hakunamatata"]This work although it involves replacement of existing crowns is necessary and not cosmetic because without it being done I will eventually end up being the toothless croan. Hey ho I am off for a liquid lunch! I had a liquid dinner last night to recover from the shock ! I have had a sad time with dentists in France, the first one was a butcher, this one is charming but the charges are crazy. I am going to enquire about UK charges and cost of a cheap hotel for however long the work will take.[/quote]

Have you investigated Poland for your dentistry? A lot more sanitary than India I would have thought and..........Ryanair fly there [:D]

I am looking at it, need some work doing, too expensive in the UK

[Salty Sam]

[quote user="NickP"]

Pachapapa wrote: " I usually pay around € 80 for a crown; € 8000 phew I'd expect at least a new head."

I'd be interested to know where you get those from and what the crowns are made of ?  because even on the NHS ten years ago the price was around £250 [8-)]

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Yes Nick, I'd also like to know the answer to that one. If they were that cheap I wouldn't need to bother with dental insurance as pro-rata, other mundane treatment such as fillings should be very inexpensive.

[pachapapa]

[quote user="Salty Sam"][quote user="NickP"]

Pachapapa wrote: " I usually pay around € 80 for a crown; € 8000 phew I'd expect at least a new head."

I'd be interested to know where you get those from and what the crowns are made of ?  because even on the NHS ten years ago the price was around £250 [8-)]

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Yes Nick, I'd also like to know the answer to that one. If they were that cheap I wouldn't need to bother with dental insurance as pro-rata, other mundane treatment such as fillings should be very inexpensive.

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A mundane filling on one single face of a tooth would clock in at between € 22-24.

[Salty Sam]

[quote user="pachapapa"]" I usually pay around € 80 for a crown; € 8000 phew I'd expect at least a new head."

A mundane filling on one single face of a tooth would clock in at between € 22-24.[/quote]

For the benefit of all who do not wish to make the journey to Poland, Turkey or India, please provide us with your Dentist's details before they realise their pricing structure is way down the list.

Examination - £46.00

Composite filling - £60.00

Root Canal Treatment - £180.00

Crown (excluding lab fees) - £330.00

The above are average prices.

[pachapapa]

 les tarifs de base de la sécurité sociale(2009)
Tarifs adultes et enfants de plus de 13 ans
Détartrage 28,92 €
Traitement d'une carie une face sur incisive ou canine 16,87 €
Traitement d'une carie deux faces : 28,92E
Traitement d'une carie trois faces ou plus : 40,97E
Dévitalisation d'une incisive ou canine : 33,74E
Dévitalisation d'une prémolaire : 28,92E
Dévitalisation d'une molaire : 81, 94E
Extraction d'une dent permanente : 33,44E

• Couronne : 107, 50E : Attention : Les dents piliers doivent être délabrées et la couronne doit comporter obligatoirement une base métallique (couronne entièrement métallique, couronne céramo-métallique,etc.). Les couronnes uniquement constituées de céramique ne sont pas prises en charge.

• Inlay-core : 122, 55E

• Inlay-core à clavette : 144,05E

• Appareil dentaire (1 à 3 dents) : 64,5E

• Appareil dentaire complet (14 dents): 182, 50E

• Bridge de trois éléments (deux dents piliers+un élément intermédiaire pour remplacer une dent absente) : 195,65E : Attention : les dents piliers doivent être délabrées.

Sources : Caisse nationale d’assurance maladie( 2009)

Etcetera! Etcetera!

[Théière]

Mock if you wish but I was not referring to minor works. The cost of a titanium peg implantation and crown on top is around 2-2500 £ or Euros compared to £500 in Poland

[pachapapa]

[quote user="Théière"]Mock if you wish but I was not referring to minor works. The cost of a titanium peg implantation and crown on top is around 2-2500 £ or Euros compared to £500 in Poland[/quote]

T check post above it is hard to justify a special trip to maroc or eastern europe unless of course major prosthetics are involved.[;-)]

[hakunamatata]

It amazes me that there are so many variations of prices. At my last dentist I had three teeth removed and a plate with the three plus another 6 at the back. He also made a top plate with about 8 back teeth (four either side) The upper plate I cannot wear because it makes me heave! All this for a paltry 3,000 not to mention the agony he put me through during the preparation - you may have read my account before. Pull the lot I think.

[pachapapa]

[quote user="hakunamatata"]It amazes me that there are so many variations of prices. At my last dentist I had three teeth removed and a plate with the three plus another 6 at the back. He also made a top plate with about 8 back teeth (four either side) The upper plate I cannot wear because it makes me heave! All this for a paltry 3,000 not to mention the agony he put me through during the preparation - you may have read my account before. Pull the lot I think.[/quote]

Variations in price.....permanent right of "dépassement";

 b) Pour les chirurgiens-dentistes conventionnés bénéficiant du droit permanent à dépassement :
« " Votre chirurgien-dentiste détermine librement ses honoraires, qui peuvent être supérieurs au tarif de remboursement par l'assurance maladie.
« Si votre chirurgien-dentiste vous propose de réaliser certains actes qui ne sont pas remboursés par l'assurance maladie, il doit obligatoirement vous en informer.
« Dans tous les cas, votre chirurgien-dentiste doit fixer ses honoraires avec tact et mesure. ”

http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000020243708&dateTexte=&categorieLien=id

[Salty Sam]

The prices I quoted are reimbursments received from my medical insurer in England, following dental treatment in France. So have I and others been charged over the top rates ? No, I don't think so.

In France, health authorities have effectively disengaged from reimbursement of specialist treatment, allowing dentists to impose their own charges on such work, in a similar way Dentists in the UK have opted out of the NHS system. While the French system still ensures that everyone can have access to basic dental treatment at a reasonable cost,  the Dentist will only receive one third of their total income from state funded Dentistry. The remaining two thirds of their income comes from work where the Dentist sets the scale of fees.

For example, the official tariff for a crown may be €107.50 as stated in "les tarifs de base de la sécurité sociale(2009)", but the cost of a crown might vary considerably from €400 to €1200, of which only €75.25 is reimbursable by the social security system.

[NickP]

At the risk of being pedantic I'm still waiting for  pachapapa to tell me where I can get a crown for 80 something Euros. I have an emergency appointment with the dentist next week, this is in France after all, and I think I will need a Crown, the last one cost 600 Euro. So I would be ever so grateful for the information, so would my bank manager. [:D]

[Chancer]

I challenge PP to find a dentist in France that will do a crown for the tarif de convention.

I must have been lucky as mine is 100% ceramic but I was able to claim a remboursement of the tarif de base but the crown cost €375, I looked around for a long time and got some really scary devis but nothing less taan what I paid.

My local town is very poor and the dentist has to work to convention for all other works or he would not have any patients, 9 out of 10 people just have an extraction and acept the gap, given the amount of work in his chair not to mention the laboratory that makes the crowns I cannot see that he or any dentist could do a crown for €107.50.

So step up to the mark PP and prove me wrong!

[Salty Sam]

Implants appear to be a good deal ?  Apparently you receive reimbursement of €45.15 from the social security system for each implant !

Perhaps Pachapapa's Dentist could also undercut the cost of a tooth implant which varies in price anything from €1500 to €3000 per tooth [:'(] 

[pachapapa]

[quote user="Chancer"]

I challenge PP to find a dentist in France that will do a crown for the tarif de convention.

I must have been lucky as mine is 100% ceramic but I was able to claim a remboursement of the tarif de base but the crown cost €375, I looked around for a long time and got some really scary devis but nothing less taan what I paid.

My local town is very poor and the dentist has to work to convention for all other works or he would not have any patients, 9 out of 10 people just have an extraction and acept the gap, given the amount of work in his chair not to mention the laboratory that makes the crowns I cannot see that he or any dentist could do a crown for €107.50.

So step up to the mark PP and prove me wrong!

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The only conventional crown that I possess is tooth No 22, cost less than € 80 but I no longer have facture as it was done more than 5 years ago, note the convention tarif changed in 2005. Recent treatment in late 2009 concerns teeth 21,11 and 12, in the context of this thread. All three teeth have been treated  using the Reconstitution Corono-Radiculaire method, whilst tooth No 12 is similar in profile to the tooth No 22. The teeth Nos 11 and 21 have been profiled in accordance with my requirements to have a thicker incisive face making them both stronger and optimally suited to modern eating duties. In my opinion nature through thousands of years of evolution has unfortunately left us with something not fit for purpose. A quick revision of the facture for tooth No 21 indicates that the treatment was done during two visits, firstly on the 15/09/2009 and completing that tooth on the 22/09/2009; the cost for treatment to that tooth was € 79.53.

[pachapapa]

@ Chancer.

The RCR technique using a glass fibre tenon is illustrated in the YouTube clip below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTzN2Bn__O8

 

[NickP]

PP wrote:

The only conventional crown that I possess is tooth No 22, cost less than € 80 but I no longer have facture as it was done more than 5 years ago, note the convention tarif changed in 2005. Recent treatment in late 2009 concerns teeth 21,11 and 12, in the context of this thread. All three teeth have been treated  using the Reconstitution Corono-Radiculaire method, whilst tooth No 12 is similar in profile to the tooth No 22. The teeth Nos 11 and 21 have been profiled in accordance with my requirements to have a thicker incisive face making them both stronger and optimally suited to modern eating duties. In my opinion nature through thousands of years of evolution has unfortunately left us with something not fit for purpose. A quick revision of the facture for tooth No 21 indicates that the treatment was done during two visits, firstly on the 15/09/2009 and completing that tooth on the 22/09/2009; the cost for treatment to that tooth was € 79.53.

OK I give up! It doesn't look as if I'm going to get the information to save myself a few quid. But I thought it was worth a try? [:D]

[pachapapa]

[quote user="NickP"]

PP wrote:

The only conventional crown that I possess is tooth No 22, cost less than € 80 but I no longer have facture as it was done more than 5 years ago, note the convention tarif changed in 2005. Recent treatment in late 2009 concerns teeth 21,11 and 12, in the context of this thread. All three teeth have been treated  using the Reconstitution Corono-Radiculaire method, whilst tooth No 12 is similar in profile to the tooth No 22. The teeth Nos 11 and 21 have been profiled in accordance with my requirements to have a thicker incisive face making them both stronger and optimally suited to modern eating duties. In my opinion nature through thousands of years of evolution has unfortunately left us with something not fit for purpose. A quick revision of the facture for tooth No 21 indicates that the treatment was done during two visits, firstly on the 15/09/2009 and completing that tooth on the 22/09/2009; the cost for treatment to that tooth was € 79.53.

OK I give up! It doesn't look as if I'm going to get the information to save myself a few quid. But I thought it was worth a try? [:D]

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Frankly I prefer my 3 RCRs to my single couronne.[:D]

[Patf]

I like your comment about nature leaving us with something not fit for purpose, ppp. Perhaps it's something to do with the fact that we are living longer now, and our teeth haven't kept up with the rest of the body.

Though I remember that as a child in the NE most adults over 40 had false teeth, or none at all.