Quillan Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Happened around 35 minutes ago, 142 dead, no survivors.http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/03/german-passenger-jet-crashes-french-alps-150324104354907.htmlIt's on the BBC News channels as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cendrillon Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I think we both posted at the same time QuillanVery sad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 No details as yet, though it seems that the plane put out a Mayday.It may be right up in the mountains and difficult to get to.Not the first crash in the Alps though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardengirl Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 An inaccessible area, probably need helicopters to get to the crash site. The plane apparently descended fairly rapidly from a normal height. Very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulT Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 This is an interesting site and this is the entry for the crash.http://avherald.com/h?article=483a5651&opt=0The exchanges by mostly knowledgeable people (pilots etc) add to the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbie Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The latest reports suggesting the plane was deliberately crashed by the co-pilot who had locked the captain out of the cockpit. This calls into question the strategy of not having anyway to gain entry to the cockpit from the rest of the planex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The american airlines always have to have two people in the cockpit and if one of the pilots needs to use the lavatory, then a member of the cabin staff has to sit in the spare 'seat' in the cockpit until they get back. Easyjet and another airline have announced that they are going to start doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh4 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Rabbie wrote:The latest reports suggesting the plane was deliberately crashed by the co-pilot who had locked the captain out of the cockpit. This calls into question the strategy of not having anyway to gain entry to the cockpit from the rest of the planeUNQUOTEDamned if you do and damned if you don't.No access means a terrorist cannot access the cabin.Access means that a terrorist could access the cabin. If by means of a keypad which cannot be deactivated, then all the terrorist needs to do is threaten the lives of passengers and a member of the cabin staff may feel the need to open the door.My understanding is that the Germanwings planes have an access pad that can be disabled from the cockpit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulT Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Think it is not just Germanwings aircraft but all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Théière Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Nice to know Ryanair also have a two person in the cockpit policy, shame Lufthansa haven't understood yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cendrillon Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I agree with andy4H re the over ride lock from inside the cockpit.Not surprisingly LH staff are in total shock and denial.I feel so sorry for the families and friends of those who have died in this awful crash. It must also be horrendous for the family of the co-pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 [quote user="andyh4"]My understanding is that the Germanwings planes have an access pad that can be disabled from the cockpit.[/quote]They all do, it is part of the 'regulations' as is the bulkhead and door being bullet resistant (as opposed to bullet proof). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre ZFP Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 [quote user="andyh4"].My understanding is that the Germanwings planes have an access pad that can be disabled from the cockpit.[/quote]Quite so, if the door is in status 'Locked' from within the cockpit, the access pad is disabled for 5 minutes and this time can be reset from within the cockpit, the thinking being that a hijacker could have forced the code from a crew member - BBC News today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 [quote user="Pierre ZFP"][quote user="andyh4"]. My understanding is that the Germanwings planes have an access pad that can be disabled from the cockpit.[/quote]Quite so, if the door is in status 'Locked' from within the cockpit, the access pad is disabled for 5 minutes and this time can be reset from within the cockpit, the thinking being that a hijacker could have forced the code from a crew member - BBC News today[/quote]I am not sure that is correct and as somebody said in the other thread the BBC is not always correct. For instance one report it refers to the black box then shows a picture of the cockpit voice recorder and the next, correctly, to the cockpit flight voice recorder under it's proper name just to confuse people. Although the technology used to protect the data is somewhat the same they (the accident investigation people) don't refer to the cockpit voice recorder as a black box. When this was first reported the aviation specialist on BBC News channel was reading from scrapes of paper not even looking at the camera and just repeating what was badly written with great difficulty (due to the bad handwriting). He gave the appearance of, quite frankly, not having a clue of what he was talking about. So again, lets wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre ZFP Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I took my info from this article, not a reporter doing a piece to camerahttp://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-32070528 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 [quote user="Pierre ZFP"]I took my info from this article, not a reporter doing a piece to camerahttp://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-32070528[/quote]This sounds terrible I know but on the news it said that the descent took ten minutes. If that was the case there is a chance, possibly slim, I don't know, that if this is correct the 'interlock' could be broken definatly once if not twice. I have no idea if you can defeat the interlock by holding the switch in position i.e. after 5 minutes it drops back to normal mode automatically and you have to switch it back to Lock but if you hold it there the interlock stays in place or you have to switch it out of lock and back again. If you think about it and you did have a terrorist onboard trying to get in as a pilot you would be very busy locating the closest airfield, course changes, descending the aircraft etc, etc, and the last thing you would want to have to worry about is the switch reverting back to allowing keypad access. Plus if you were a terrorist and you read or saw that and it was true you now know exactly what to do. It does not quite sit right if you know what I mean if you give it some thought. Still I may well be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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