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[allanb]

Will wrote: "I have also used my titre de sejour as ID in Dutch hotels when asked for a passport or ID card..."

With respect, though, Will: Schengen has nothing to do with hotels. What a Dutch hotel will accept is not necessarily the same as what may be required by an immigration official.

[Ron Avery]

[quote user="Sunday Driver"]

The Schengen agreement only abolishes routine frontier controls, not the need to provide proof of identity when required. 

As Will says, an official document with photograph will suffice.

[/quote]

But isn't the point that the UK is not a party to the Schengen Agreement and so its citizens have to carry passports when travelling in mainland Europe? 

The fact that border checks are not carried out between many countries who are in the Schengen Agreement, (which is certainly not true when going in and out of Spain) does not negate the need for UK citizens/French residents (and other non EU citizens) to carry passports when travelling to other EU countries from France.

[Cjlaws]

The point about UK citizens having to carry passports is nothing to do

with the Schengen Agreement. All EU have to carry identity documents  complying with the regulations applicable in the country where they happen to be. As Sunday Driver has already

pointed out, the Shengen Agreement only applies to checks at EC

common borders.

Just to make it clear, here are the relevant extracts from the convention:

The 1990 Convention applying the Schengen Agreement

(came into operation in March 1995)

Article 1 Definitions

For the purposes of this Convention:

Border control shall mean a check made at a border in response solely

to an intention to cross that border, regardless of any other consideration

Article 2

¶ 3. The abolition of checks on persons at internal

borders shall not affect either [ .....] or the exercise of police

powers by the competent authorities under each Contracting Party's legislation

throughout its territory, or the obligations to hold, carry and produce permits

and documents provided for in its legislation.

[allanb]

Cjlaws: thank you. That makes it a lot clearer than the EU website I quoted.

[AnOther]

[quote user="hoverfrog"]had to go through the super-sensitive metal detector that my underwired bra set off!!![/quote]I don't know why but all this time I imagined you were a bloke, I suppose you could still be [6]

[hoverfrog]

LOL!

So did everyone on the 4x4 forum :)

I guess it's not every woman that plays with chainsaws and does car mechanics...

[AnOther]

Scary [:-))]

[:D]

[hoverfrog]

I'm not scary, I'm a survivor :D