UKash Virus.

[AnOther]

I'd give up Q, you can never win with some people [;-)]

[HoneySuckleDreams]

I think PPP is really Mr Logic from Viz

 

Be careful about AVG. I thought it was OK until my PC got fried. Pet geek managed to recover the data but a nasty trojan had embedded itself in the AVG executable. AVG didn't manage to find that it had been infected it'self, God only knows what it was up to.

[AnOther]

Crikey, better swap to MSE then toute suite [:D][:D][:D]

[Quillan]

The thing with AV software is you get what you pay for. Free AV software will always lag behind the ones you pay for. Why is this, well it's down to R&D for which you need money primarily to pay the people a wage who are doing it. Some free AV software does benefit because there is also an enhanced version for which you pay but the R&D will benefit the paid version first then given to the free version second. This is probably obvious to some but in these cases if they released the new version or update the existing at the same time why would people buy the paid for version when they can get it for free.

 

If you search the web for the best AV software and miss out the word 'free' it seems that BitDefender and Kaspersky come out always in the top three with BitDefender usually first. Other companies like Norton etc will come in and out of those three but these two are constantly there. The problem is however that in this very fast moving market any independent testing can depend on the day (literally) and who is doing the review as to which is the best of the best. The negative side with these two products is of course they are not free. However I did notice that AVG does come in consistently at about six or seventh but again that's the paid version.

 

People who are IT savvy don't always bother with AV software at all. They understand how viruses work and rather than not worry about coming in to contact with them they make sure they don't. As AV software gets more and more complicated to deal with all the threats old and new that are out there so it burns up processor time and memory. For most of us who do have AV software this can be an important issue when choosing one. I ran my PC without AV for many years till I let a guest use it and since then always had one installed (the AVG Free version) and keep it uptodate.

 

Personally I have always been of the opinion that it should not be down to individuals to protect themselves and that the ISP's should take responsibility and it should be transparent to the end user. After all it is their network through which you will catch a virus. The question then is why don't they and the answer is simple and two fold. Firstly of course the AV industry is massive and carries a lot of clout. They would actively encourage ISP's not to go down this route and will often offer incentives like free AV software for the ISP's internal systems. The second is of course overhead in number of extra servers required and the slowing down of the Internet in general as each transaction is scanned for a virus.

 

Personally perhaps the the best form of global defence against the people who create these viruses and trojans would be not to prosecute them but in the words of a man I like and many hate "should be taken out and shot preferably in front of their families". [:D] Of course this really would not go down vey well with the companies that write AV software.

[pachapapa]

[quote user="HoneySuckleDreams"]

I think PPP is really Mr Logic from Viz

 

Be careful about AVG. I thought it was OK until my PC got fried. Pet geek managed to recover the data but a nasty trojan had embedded itself in the AVG executable. AVG didn't manage to find that it had been infected it'self, God only knows what it was up to.

[/quote]

Does Mr Logik also use a thesorus?

Agree with you on AVG Free, it is weak on heuristics, in my opinion after MSE the german Avira is the best of the free AVs.

[pachapapa]

[quote user="HoneySuckleDreams"]

I think PPP is really Mr Logic from Viz

 

Be careful about AVG. I thought it was OK until my PC got fried. Pet geek managed to recover the data but a nasty trojan had embedded itself in the AVG executable. AVG didn't manage to find that it had been infected it'self, God only knows what it was up to.

[/quote]

Does Mr Logik also use a thesorus?

Agree with you on AVG Free, it is weak on heuristics, in my opinion after MSE the german Avira is the best of the free AVs.

[pachapapa]

I recommend that the forum software is programmed such that a double post is impossible.

For other myself and other persons with incipient dementia who can easily forget that they have already posted, after being distracted by the TV news.

Indeed the introduction of quizzes on the forum would help to keep minds active.

[AnOther]

I'm not sure that's necessarily a valid argument Q, at least not in the case of AVG.

http://www.sytru.com/compare/avg-free-antivirus-professional-internet-security

As you see the FREE version lacks only some of the more esoteric and specialised features the basic protection is the same as the paid for programme. Does a gaming mode and 24/7 tech support make you safer. The Anti rootkit is potentially useful but 'webshield' I don't even really see the point of, any files I download are automatically scanned by my D/L manager but will also be picked up if and when I decide to use them anyway.

The decision on what to use is also partly dependant on your surfing habits, this from a fairly recent comparison between, Avast, AVG, MSE and Avira.

What program you should use comes down to your specific

needs and desires. Want the most features? avast! Free is the way to go.

Are you looking for the best detection rates and don't care about

anything else? Avira Free is for you. Want a simple anti-malware program

that provides great protection without nagging ads? Microsoft Security

Essentials beckons you. Worried about network security? Microsoft

Security Essentials' "Network Inspection System" may serve you well. Are

you a social network addict? Go with AVG Free for it has "Social

Network Protection". Hate false positives? Avoid AVG and consider

Microsoft Security Essentials. Dislike slow scan times? Don't get

Microsoft Security Essentials. Surf the web a lot, besides your frequent

websites? avast! Free's "Web Shield" provides better specialized

protection in that area than the other three programs. Download lots of

software? avast! Free's "Auto Sandbox" may be your next best friend.

 http://dottech.org/freeware-reviews/14151

[pachapapa]

The Pre Release Version works fine for me on an XP Netbook.

Security Essentials Version: 4.0.1512.0
Antimalware Client Version: 4.0.1512.0
Engine Version: 1.1.8101.0

[pachapapa]

My anxieties are much diminished to see on Soir 3 last night the news that the European Community is now fighting nasties like UKash.

Report starts at 18:25 on the time bar below the video.

http://www.pluzz.fr/soir-3-2012-03-28-22h30.html

[HoneySuckleDreams]

[quote user="pachapapa"]

Does Mr Logik also use a thesorus?

[/quote]

*logic*

I use AVG as it seems to be the best one I have had found. However, I think it's impossible to find any AV software that is totally infallible. I also use Malwarebytes as a back up scanner.

A diversion - An example of Mr Logic logic

 

Armed Robber: No nonsense. Just give me all your money.

 

Mr Logic: I shall commence by pointing out to you that my demeanour is not one which could be described as nonsensical. Consequently I can attest you have no cause to reprimand me on your first point. On to your second point: Bearing in mind the potentially lethal situation in which I find myself, to wit: your presence in conjunction with the presumably loaded firearm which is presently levelled at my cranium, I will comply with your request comprehensively, albeit reluctantly. Here, twenty-seven pence.

 

Armed Robber: Twenty-seven pence? Fuck off. There's more than that in the till

 

Mr Logic: Indeed, undoubtedly so. However your request was for *my* money. The currency in the till belongs to a third party and is therefore not "my money" However, if you are still desirous of said money I would suggest that you re-phrase your original statement to recognise and incorporate this important distinction

 

[pachapapa]

[quote user="HoneySuckleDreams"]

[quote user="pachapapa"]

Does Mr Logik also use a thesorus?

[/quote]

*logic*

I use AVG as it seems to be the best one I have had found. However, I think it's impossible to find any AV software that is totally infallible. I also use Malwarebytes as a back up scanner.

A diversion - An example of Mr Logic logic

Armed Robber: No nonsense. Just give me all your money.

Mr Logic: I shall commence by pointing out to you that my demeanour is not one which could be described as nonsensical. Consequently I can attest you have no cause to reprimand me on your first point. On to your second point: Bearing in mind the potentially lethal situation in which I find myself, to wit: your presence in conjunction with the presumably loaded firearm which is presently levelled at my cranium, I will comply with your request comprehensively, albeit reluctantly. Here, twenty-seven pence.

Armed Robber: Twenty-seven pence? Fuck off. There's more than that in the till.

Mr Logic: Indeed, undoubtedly so. However your request was for *my* money. The currency in the till belongs to a third party and is therefore not "my money" However, if you are still desirous of said money I would suggest that you re-phrase your original statement to recognise and incorporate this important distinction.

 

[/quote]

A complete novelty to me.

The punctuation is definitely not grammar or public school standard.

Accentuates clearly the literary danger of the "working classes" meddling with Thesauruses/Thesaurusi.

[Salty Sam]

[quote user="pachapapa"]

A complete novelty to me.

The punctuation is definitely not grammar or public school standard.

Accentuates clearly the literary danger of the "working classes" meddling with Thesauruses/Thesaurusi.[/quote]

[quote user="cooperlola"]How patronising it is possible for you to be?

Sorry, mods - feel free to delete this post if you wish.  I do my

best, every day, to stick to the forum etiquette and avoid personal

insult, but really!  Grrr.  Let us each, as individuals, weigh the

various merits of your, AnO, and others' posts and make our own

judgements.  For myself, I at least know what he means whereas I don't

have a clue what you're talking about around 70% of the time[:-))].  If

we are easily swayed ignorami, that is our tough luck.  No need to be so

*ffing insulting, C3PO.  Sorry, I forgot, you just can't help it.

[/quote]

[quote user="Quillan"]Well lets face it normally it is your good self

that kicks the ball off then interject with the odd comment carefully

worked out to antagonise somebody. My guess is you just like to go

fishing and see who bites. That coupled with your extensive use of a

thesaurus makes it all a bit of a shame really because you do have some

good posts from time to time, The problem is that a lot of people just

skim over them to the next post because your are so boring and some

can't work out what on earth your talking about. As to "hot air" in this

case I think there is only two people in this thread who disagree (some

like myself are just not bothered) with you but then that's their right

and they don't deserve to be ridiculed just because they do.

[:)][/quote]

The above posts from cooperlola & Quillan say it all.

In this day and age if you still believe a class system exists, then you are truly demonstrating just how ignorant you really are!

[pachapapa]

[quote user="Salty Sam"]

[quote user="pachapapa"] A complete novelty to me.

The punctuation is definitely not grammar or public school standard.

Accentuates clearly the literary danger of the "working classes" meddling with Thesauruses/Thesaurusi.[/quote]

[quote user="cooperlola"]How patronising it is possible for you to be?

Sorry, mods - feel free to delete this post if you wish.  I do my best, every day, to stick to the forum etiquette and avoid personal insult, but really!  Grrr.  Let us each, as individuals, weigh the various merits of your, AnO, and others' posts and make our own judgements.  For myself, I at least know what he means whereas I don't have a clue what you're talking about around 70% of the time[:-))].  If we are easily swayed ignorami, that is our tough luck.  No need to be so *ffing insulting, C3PO.  Sorry, I forgot, you just can't help it.

[/quote]

[quote user="Quillan"]Well lets face it normally it is your good self that kicks the ball off then interject with the odd comment carefully worked out to antagonise somebody. My guess is you just like to go fishing and see who bites. That coupled with your extensive use of a thesaurus makes it all a bit of a shame really because you do have some good posts from time to time, The problem is that a lot of people just skim over them to the next post because your are so boring and some can't work out what on earth your talking about. As to "hot air" in this case I think there is only two people in this thread who disagree (some like myself are just not bothered) with you but then that's their right and they don't deserve to be ridiculed just because they do. [:)][/quote]

The above posts from cooperlola & Quillan say it all.

In this day and age if you still believe a class system exists, then you are truly demonstrating just how ignorant you really are!
[/quote]

Yes! I do believe a class system exists; the recent report on the rioting last year in London amply confirm my belief.

So I seem to have some qualified support, in my ignorance.

As the Mr Logik anecdote is a novelty to me, I am unaware of the author, nevertheless from your virulent reaction I presume that I have somehow taken in vain one of the favourite authors of the triumvirate + one female.[:D] 

[AnOther]

Can you not write in plain English, your use of obscure vocabulary just makes you look pretentious and silly.

[pachapapa]

[quote user="AnOther"]Can you not write in plain English, your use of obscure vocabulary just makes you look pretentious and silly.

[/quote]

Triumvirate is neither pretentious, silly nor obscure but a well known word in even moderately cultured circles.

The other words in the post appear to be what you might call plain english, so deserve no comment.

Personally I find plain english rather dull and boring, when such a rich and varied semantic inheritance is freely available.

In the context of the thread which shows little sign of returning even remotely to the original point; the use of the word "triumvirate" conveyed exactly the sense and thrust intended by the writer. A fortuitous and inspired gift.

[HoneySuckleDreams]

I was trying to post an image to but I have been unable to get the new interface to work...and I can't delete a post so please ignore this

 

[pachapapa]

[quote user="HoneySuckleDreams"][/quote]

Your post shows an untitled bitmap. The only way I can view it is to open the "quote" function.

I have made a copy of the untitled image on my "Bureau". So if you do genuinely have problems I would be pleased to upload it to flickr and repost it as a separate thread.

I await your instructions.

[AnOther]

[quote user="pachapapa"]Triumvirate is neither pretentious, silly nor obscure but a well known word in even moderately cultured circles.[/quote]

It's just part of the talking in technobabble and riddles 'gift' you seem to enjoy but let's put triumvirate to the test shall we ?

Any forum member who has ever in their life used the word 'triumvirate' in any context please respond with A

If  you knew what triumvirate meant - without looking it up on Google - please respond with B

If you had to look it up respond with C

[pachapapa]

[quote user="AnOther"][quote user="pachapapa"]Triumvirate is neither pretentious, silly nor obscure but a well known word in even moderately cultured circles.[/quote]

It's just part of the talking in technobabble and riddles 'gift' you seem to enjoy but let's put triumvirate to the test shall we ?

Any forum member who has ever in their life used the word 'triumvirate' in any context please respond with A

If  you knew what triumvirate meant - without looking it up on Google - please respond with B

If you had to look it up respond with C

[/quote]

A!  Used in latin lessons at prep school, around 1949 - 1950.[:P]

[Rabbie]

[quote user="AnOther"][quote user="pachapapa"]Triumvirate is neither pretentious, silly nor obscure but a well known word in even moderately cultured circles.[/quote]

It's just part of the talking in technobabble and riddles 'gift' you seem to enjoy but let's put triumvirate to the test shall we ?

Any forum member who has ever in their life used the word 'triumvirate' in any context please respond with A

If  you knew what triumvirate meant - without looking it up on Google - please respond with B

If you had to look it up respond with C

[/quote] A and B. For once I am forced to agree with PPP[:(] 

[sid]

I too studied Latin in  the late 50's - early 60's, so I had an idea what it meant but it doesn't seem to fit properly in this context, at least for me. I therefore looked it up to see if there was another meaning. I don't generally use Latin in ad hoc speech.   [:D][:D]   QED. [6]

So the vote from me is   B and C !  [;-)]

Perhaps it should be triumvirus!   [:P]

[pachapapa]

Glad to see that MACs have potentially a Java Exploit susceptibility.

http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/trojan-downloader_osx_flashback_i.shtml

[pachapapa]

What a relief Apple have updated to JRE 6 - 31.

http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/04/04/apple-patches-java-hole-that-was-being-used-to-compromise-mac-users/

Of course PPP did that already a few pages back in the thread, last month.

But apparently for the estimated 600,000 MACs infected still only a rather tortuous manual cleaning routine.[:D]

[JohnM]

[quote user="pachapapa"]

[quote user="AnOther"]Can you not write in plain English, your use of obscure vocabulary just makes you look pretentious and silly.

[/quote]

Personally I find plain english rather dull and boring, when such a rich and varied semantic inheritance is freely available.

[/quote]

An interesting point and one which I have sympathies with as I think it

would be awful if "Language" became reduced to the level of teenage text

messages. However, we should remember that language developed in order

to facilitate communication and the the onus is on the speaker to ensure

that the audience can understand the point that is being made. If the

listener (reader) "needs" simple language, that is surely more important

than the speaker's "desire" to use more flowery language? Interestingly

of course, the type of language used communicates the type of person

who is using it, but this is open to interpretation. PPP thinks the

language he uses is acceptable because he finds plain English rather

dull and boring, but at least one reader thinks it makes him look

pretentious and silly. Both are right in their own way, but if the

number of people who think "pretentious oaf" becomes too large, they

will skip his posts because of his limited communication skills.

Discuss the above using no more than 500 words, you may not peep at other peoples answer sheet, your time begins now.