dessiedog Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Considering taking our 10 year old Passat to house in France whilst taxed / insured as UK car, leaving it in the barn when we return to the UK for say 2-3 months during the winter but surrendering the tax / cancelling the insurance and getting refunds on both. From other threads I believe it will have to be 'exported' in order to get the tax refund. Leaving it registered /insured as a UK vehicle isn't an option due to the limit upon the number of days it is insured outside the UK. When we return to France the intention would be to purchase French insurance which no doubt will require a 'Controle Technique' and French registration? Any thoughts upon whether this course of action is viable, and can you drive to a CT appointment in a car with UK registration plates but no tax disc as you can in the UK? Suspect it would be better to just bite the bullet and arrange for the CT, French registration and insurance before leaving it over the winter? Dessie Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Just do a SORN. The french CT is meaningless unless you are going to register it in France. Try AGF for insurance they don't seem to ask about registering or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose (& Greyman) Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Please don't rely on an insurance company to keep you straight. Of course they won't ask any questions when you give them a cheque ! It's what they do when you make a claim that counts. If you aren't legal they won't pay out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 SORN is not an option. The correct procedure is to notify DVLA that the vehicle is exported. As long as the date of export is correctly stated and the British insurance is still valid on the day, you will be totally legal and will still get a refund of unused full calendar months of the vehicle excise duty.Cancel the British insurance and get French insurance, then visit the hotel des impots for your quittus fiscal certificate. You then have a month or so to get the CT organised and complete the immatriculation process. Although strictly speaking you should do this on arrival - you are supposed to have vehicles insured in France even if they are stored and not used - if you keep it in the barn I can't imagine anybody is going to be too bothered if you leave this until you arrive again. No problem with going to, and having, a CT without tax, as the vehicle is properly exported. There would be problems here if you have SORN because SORNed vehicles have to stay in Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 [quote user="JMB"]Just do a SORN. The french CT is meaningless unless you are going to register it in France. Try AGF for insurance they don't seem to ask about registering or not.[/quote]100% behind Ron on this, if this is the best advice you can offer I really wouldn't bother in future [:'(]EDIT: I see Ron's post has disappeared but the meat of the message remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Erns, Ron isn't even on this thread for you to agree or disagree with!Having said that, I am sure he will be along soon for you to hide behind![:P]Ron, do come on and tell them as only you can. That is, in no uncertain terms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Could I be going mad on my birthday [:D]I'm certain Ron had one of his usual, no compromise, posts here and even remember the majority of what he wrote [:-))]There was a not so nice word in it, think spratt minus the S, so maybe it got reported and pulled.Ron/Mods please put me out of my misery.......[blink] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Avery Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 [quote user="ErnieY"] Ron/Mods please put me out of my misery.......[blink][/quote]Maybe it was suggesting that the "advisor" held a post on an expat newspaper that upset them. After all many accept the English word as if it were the New Testament, particularly where it saves them money in tax and car registration fees[8-)] Funny that they let the original posting that recommended an illegal action stand, thought that was against the rules of the Forum laid down by Argent[:P] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 [quote user="ErnieY"]Could I be going mad on my birthday [:D]I'm certain Ron had one of his usual, no compromise, posts here and even remember the majority of what he wrote [:-))]There was a not so nice word in it, think spratt minus the S, so maybe it got reported and pulled.Ron/Mods please put me out of my misery.......[blink][/quote]Happy Birthday, dear Erns! And don't worry too much about the Alzheimer's because you'd be the last person to know if you did have it, see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I thought it was ok to do a sorn after all it's off the road in the uk.I know quite a few people who do this and have done for a long time. If it was so illegal surely these people would have been taken to task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 From http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/UntaxedVehicle/DG_4022058"SORN or vehicle tax due to expire while you’re abroadYou can make a SORN up to two calendar months in advance. The vehicle must remain in Great Britain."Many people get this wrong - there was even a case of somebody who said they were told by DVLA that they could make a SORN declaration on a vehicle to be taken overseas, and when they returned they were hit with a fine and a large amount of back road tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maricopa Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 [quote user="JMB"]I thought it was ok to do a sorn after all it's off the road in the uk.[/quote]I think you may need to re-read the original post[8-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Ernie, happy birthday [B]JMB, sorry but you are mistaken, the following text is taken directly from the government website http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/UntaxedVehicle/DG_4022058In advance – SORN or vehicle tax due to expire while you’re abroadYou can make a SORN up to two calendar months in advance. The vehicle must remain in Great Britain. Complete a V890 ‘Statutory Off Road Notification (SORN)’ together with a letter explaining why you’re applying so far in advance and post them to DVLA, Swansea SA99 1AR.And this text is taken from the DVLA website http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/leaflets/ins107.pdfGoing abroad? You can make a SORN up to two calendar months before you go abroad. You need to apply on form V890 and send us a letter to explain that you will be out of the country when the current tax disc or SORN runs out. Send these direct to us at DVLA, Swansea, SA99 1AR. You can only make a SORN for a vehicle that is being kept off the road in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Oops, I see Will beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 [quote user="Cat"]You can only make a SORN for a vehicle that is being kept off the road in the UK.[/quote]It would be kept off the road in the UK whilst being driven in France would it not? [6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Driver Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 [quote user="Cat"] The vehicle must remain in Great Britain.... [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dessiedog Posted September 9, 2008 Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 Thanks to all for your comments, looks like French insurance etc once the car is in France is the solution - didn't know that they have to be insured even if off the road. Have to admit that the thought of a SORN even with the car in the barn had crossed my mind, but knowing my luck.......Once again, comments appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 In essence the entire subject is somewhat moot because whatever you do or do not do will be no impediment to registering it in France, the authorities will be concerned solely with it's legality here not any irregular status in UK.Just to be clear I am not advocating that course of action just making the observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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