f1steveuk Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I have several rolls of British twin & earth, and a large wiring job to do. Can I actually use twin and earth in France? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Nope!Bare Earth and not recognised in the norms.An eBay jobbie I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Avery Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Its not the norm certainly but they do sell it here. I have it in a cave on a feed to a plug socket, the cable running on clips along a beam and down the wall. In addition the feeds to the lights in my barn from the switches are all twin and earth, this was all installed by French electricians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyn_Paul Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 [quote user="f1steveuk"]I have several rolls of British twin & earth, and a large wiring job to do. Can I actually use twin and earth in France? [/quote]Given the current price of anything using copper, and assuming you mean twin+earth in red & black, your best bet is to strip the red and black out of the cable, buy 2 rolls of blue and 2 rolls of G+Y, and you've saved a third of the price of cable here. You might even find a buyer for the unsheathed earth wire!p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Trollope Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 [quote user="Ron Avery"]Its not the norm certainly but they do sell it here. I have it in a cave on a feed to a plug socket, the cable running on clips along a beam and down the wall. In addition the feeds to the lights in my barn from the switches are all twin and earth, this was all installed by French electricians.[/quote]Are you sure Ron? UK T&E would be completely alien to a French electrician, as you can't buy it here. Are you confusing it with RO2 - the round 3-core rigid cable (which is to normes, having 3 insulated cores)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 [quote user="Nick Trollope"][quote user="Ron Avery"]Its not the norm certainly but they do sell it here. I have it in a cave on a feed to a plug socket, the cable running on clips along a beam and down the wall. In addition the feeds to the lights in my barn from the switches are all twin and earth, this was all installed by French electricians.[/quote]Are you sure Ron? UK T&E would be completely alien to a French electrician, as you can't buy it here. Are you confusing it with RO2 - the round 3-core rigid cable (which is to normes, having 3 insulated cores)?[/quote]I too have quite a lot of "apparently" twin and earth outside in the barn and utility room but closer inspection reveals three insulated cores, black, blue and green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Avery Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Sorry to have misled anybody, yes, you are correct Nick, it is round three core with separate insulated wires, not UK type with a bare earth wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 [quote user="Gluestick"]Nope!Bare Earth and not recognised in the norms.An eBay jobbie I fear. [/quote]Very true, and you will find that the bare earth cross sectional area is less than the CSA of the live and neutral cores, another no-no for French codes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1steveuk Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 I have a sneaky feeling the earth is isulated on mine, don't suppose that makes a difference!!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 If it is UK spec, Steve, then the earth cross section would be too small.With the current price of cable, eBay it Mate!Anyway, how the devil are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1steveuk Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 That's about typical, there are two things I have alot of lying around (twin and earth and leaves) and both are useless and in one case worth nothing! I don't really fancy atripping out all of the cores, sounds mind numbing!I've sent you an e mail Mon. Gluestick, but the short answer is "fine thank you, You?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Leaves are good for mulching. Gather them together and allow them to rot down: wonderful for adding humous.2.5 m.m + Earth is excellent for eBay!I am responding, Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1steveuk Posted June 12, 2008 Author Share Posted June 12, 2008 So back on the twin and earth thing!! I had given up on the idea, cant use it, so ......I'm in Bricomarche today, and what are they selling? Yep, twin and earth and it's blue, brown, and a roll of green/yellow.So if you cant use it, why are they selling it?? Yours Confused, Belves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Is this Twin and Earth, Steve, with the Earth bare but moulded between the other insulated conductors; and with the earth one single thin strand with the two main conductors much larger in diameter?Apart from which, how the Devil are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG MAC Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I hadn't thought of stripping the mountain of cable in the back of Mac towers......hmmmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 [quote user="f1steveuk"]So back on the twin and earth thing!! I had given up on the idea, cant use it, so ......I'm in Bricomarche today, and what are they selling? Yep, twin and earth and it's blue, brown, and a roll of green/yellow.So if you cant use it, why are they selling it?? Yours Confused, Belves[/quote]Twin and Earth relates to the UK flat White or Grey cable with two insulated conductors (usually black and red) and a central bare earth core. The bare earth conductor is thinner gauge copper than the insulated conductors.The cable sold in France is three core and will have all three cores insulated. The cores also have the same thickness copper conductors.Another reason for not using UK cable is that the UK black conductor is used for Neutral whereas the French use black conductors as Phase or Live!!!!!Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 [quote user="trevoraki"][quote user="f1steveuk"]So back on the twin and earth thing!! I had given up on the idea, cant use it, so ......I'm in Bricomarche today, and what are they selling? Yep, twin and earth and it's blue, brown, and a roll of green/yellow.So if you cant use it, why are they selling it?? Yours Confused, Belves[/quote]Twin and Earth relates to the UK flat White or Grey cable with two insulated conductors (usually black and red) and a central bare earth core. The bare earth conductor is thinner gauge copper than the insulated conductors.The cable sold in France is three core and will have all three cores insulated. The cores also have the same thickness copper conductors.Another reason for not using UK cable is that the UK black conductor is used for Neutral whereas the French use black conductors as Phase or Live!!!!!Trevor[/quote]Pardon!!!!!!! Which French code / normes are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Trollope Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Black is a phase colour. In fact anything is a phase colour, except blue and green/yellow (but not red, allegedly). NF C 15 100 ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1steveuk Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 Michael, fine thank you, and you? Sort of enjoying being home, but fed up with storm after storm after storm!This is pukka twin and earth, even supplied with a roll of yellow and green insulation for the tails! Flat section carrier, exactly as in the UK, but different coloured live and nuetrals! If I had had the time I would have asked someone, but I didn't! I was drawn to it as I was staggered to see it there............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Curioser and curioser.................Will PM you later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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