Congratulations to XChelseaX Liverpool

[Alcazar]

Did it make anyone else's night to see the faces on whining Mourinho, and  Abramovich the spiv, when Liverpool won?

Only thing better would have been to see Terry and Carvalho sent off for striking the faces of opponents, and Cech sent off for the foul that gave away the goal.

Lovely!

Alcazar

[Miki]

Congrats to the Pool, as Mourinho said, "from my heart I wish they now win the cup" and so do I, I really hope they win the Cup. The best team did lose but again as the man said "that's football" it will always happen and tant pis.

1966 and nowt done since to stop any contraversy about "is it a goal or not " yet most other sports these days call for a third judge of some kind.

Was it a goal ? I haven't got a clue and nor did the ref, he had to go with the linesman. A witness who said he was in line with the linesman quite categorically states the ball was hidden by William Gallas, so like 1966, we will never really know.

As for the opinion that Cech would have been sent off, no problems, the No 2 Cuddicini would have taken over, Drogba taken off and who would have been any the wiser !! Get it in to your head Alacazar it's a game, both teams fought tooth and nail to get in the final, all witnessed by some of the all time greats of both clubs. A great atmosphere befitting the first ever semi final between two British clubs in the Champions Cup and your pathetic jibe is so typical of a Brit without any love or knowledge of the wonderful game

If you want a non contact sport can I ask you to consider watching poker on late night TV and leave the football to those, who although would prefer their own team to win, respect that it is not always possible and feel it is much more the preferable thing to shake your opponents hand at the end and wish them well, than to make stupid remarks at people who have lost.

Thankfully I meet many folks whose thoughts match mine and in fact the first person I congratulated was a "scouser" not 20 minutes from my house. We live for another day and that's what supporters do, every season. We know !!

[Tresco]

 Did it make anyone else's night to see the faces on whining Mourinho, and  Abramovich the spiv, when Liverpool won?

Only thing better would have been to see Terry and Carvalho sent off for striking the faces of opponents, and Cech sent off for the foul that gave away the goal.

I don't understand this sort of thing at all, thrilling in the negative aspects of a game, against a club playing a team you don't even support. I've railed against it for many years, being a Man Utd supporter I have seen and heard it all. Now i'm seeing it all directed towards Chelsea, and I still don't like it.

I've got my loyalties, and yeah i'll have a joke about the evil scouse empire, but this isn't a joke. Is it jealousy?.

[RobS]

I must say I thought Chelsea unlucky to lose to that goal, but then since the quarter finals I have had a feeling that Liverpool will win the cup and keep Everton out of the Champions league. Can I also say I thought Carragher was outstanding last night.

[0BRIAN WOODHEADI,m here in franceddMMyyyy0Falseen-USI,m here in franceTrue]

Tesco,they lost and they lose badly down sarf,we WON the treble thats why we have a Sir Alex

[Tresco]

'they lost and they lose badly down sarf'

I don't care about 'the sarf' in general, but Miki seems to be to have been a good loser on this occasion, and so very soon after what must have been misery for him, he has said he will be supporting Liverpool in the final. However much of a glamourous jumped up rouble funded blue he is, all credit to him

PS OH says the reason why I don't understand the negative stuff is "coz you're a bird, and....." couldn't quite hear the rest of it he was running too fast

[Weedon]

As to whether it was or not a goal you only have to read the paper the next day, or as in Bobby Moores time in 66, see who lifts the cup at the end.

As far as the game last night, it seemed to me, one team played well without scoring and one played not so well and scored.  It happens. 

weedon

[Cjb]

I thought you were a southerner now, Outie?

[Tresco]

A laugh before bedtime. 'Q Cjb

[Miki]

So that's where "imherein" is then. I looked all over the north for a town with that name in France and all the time it woz darn sarf........

[Patmobile]

I am glad I saw a great football match. I don't understand how "fans" can boo their team's opponents, particularly if they are giving such a show of brilliant football.

But I've been around long enough to have been watching at Roker Park when home spectators would applaud the skills of great visiting players such as Best, Greaves, and the like.

By the way, though their skills would have been up to it, I don't reckon Greaves, Best or any other player of that generation would have lasted more than 15 minutes at the pace Chelsea and Liverpool played last night. Great players - but the game was slower then.

Patrick

[Miki]

[quote]I am glad I saw a great football match. I don't understand how "fans" can boo their team's opponents, particularly if they are giving such a show of brilliant football.But I've been around long enoug...[/quote]

I wouldn't argue with any of that Patrick but I think perhaps Bestie might have prevailed on one of his unbeatable nights but I think my hero would have struggled against the pace of the game and the might of the Liverpool tackling.

[Dick Smith]

Patmobile - you were at Roker Park? Not in the Clock Stand?

Great days, but I was there in the late 60s - early 70s, so missed Greaves and Best.

Great days. Sometimes...

[Paolo]

I am just about still playing football, and I think when you play or have played a sport intensely you get an instinct for the behaviour of the ball, of players' movements and intentions, and the geometry of the playing area. All I can say is that when I first saw the 'goal', in real time, I just knew that the ball had crossed the line. But only just. Controversial!

Miki you said this was the first semi between 2 British clubs, but wasn't there one between Celtic and Leeds in about 1970?

Paolo

[Miki]

[quote]I am just about still playing football, and I think when you play or have played a sport intensely you get an instinct for the behaviour of the ball, of players' movements and intentions, and the geom...[/quote]

Yes Paolo, quite correct even though it was then the European Cup but I should have said 2 English clubs.

ITV had specialists look at the goal and through "futuristic" video action, it showed that ALL the ball had not crossed the line and had around 1/4 to 1/5 of the ball still to cross the line. That is tight and therefore easy to see how the linesman would have judged it over the line but again the people on that side say that Gallas blinded the linesmans view of it properly.

Still its happened and looking at AC last night, I think Liverpool have a great chance of winning the final but I really hope it is not another case of defending for long periods and hope they get among the Italians early and we see a good attacking game.

[Alcazar]

A great atmosphere befitting the first ever semi final between two British clubs in the Champions Cup and your pathetic jibe is so typical of a Brit without any love or knowledge of the wonderful game

If you want a non contact sport can I ask you to consider watching poker on late night TV and leave the football to those, who although would prefer their own team to win, respect that it is not always possible and feel it is much more the preferable thing to shake your opponents hand at the end and wish them well, than to make stupid remarks at people who have lost.

A good loser? I think not.

WTF are you to say whether anyone has any love or knowledge for any game, wonderful or not? I've supported a VERY unfashionable club, man and boy for over 40 years, and I don't like jumped up whiners and spivs who come into the UK and think they can do, or say as they please just because they have more money than others.

I don't think I'm in a minority either where the idea of just buying a trophy is concerned, and I didn't like it when Blackburn did it, let alone Chelski.

My own club continues to suffer because of the greed and short sightedness of a few top clubs, and yes, it was worth my license fee, (even though it wasn't on the BBC) to see their faces.

If you don't like my attitude, tough! What are you, one of those "prawn-sandwich supporters"? My support is done from a terrace, and yes, we give the opposing fans hell, even though we do stop short of the violence that goes with SOME clubs.....who do the so-called "Headhunters" support? All part of the "wonderful game".

Alcazar

[Tresco]

'My own club continues to suffer because of the greed and short sightedness of a few top clubs'......

If you don't like my attitude, tough!

I don't understand it, for a start. You've said this before, implying the big clubs are to blame for Scunthorpes position. Last year sometime it was MUFC's fault, now it's Chelsea's.

Back to MUFC again next season I hope.

[Miki]

Alcazar said..."A good loser? I think not."

I am sorry you feel so badly about it but believe me, I am always a good loser, why not, saddos have no part in sport. For me losing as much as winning has been a part of my life and when you have been a Chelsea mad kid through to a Chelsea mad adult, like I have, that's the way it has always been for me. So you think what you want, it just ain't true,

Alcazar said "....WTF are you to say whether anyone has any love or knowledge for any game, wonderful or not? I've supported a VERY unfashionable club, man and boy for over 40 years, and I don't like jumped up whiners and spivs who come into the UK and think they can do, or say as they please just because they have more money than others"

Typical stupid thoughts. What did you bother to learn about the game, other than to say you have been man and boy on the stands at an unfashionable club ?

Chelsea were on my doorstep, my family were and until just a few years ago, still were, involved directly with the club, what do you suggest I should have done ? Got a train or coach and gone to see Crewe play every week ? I take it your unfashionable club was your closest team, like Chelsea were to me ?

Without the bigger clubs, you have no smaller clubs, it is that simple. Football has feeder leagues and feeder clubs, right down to grass roots level and right through to the top echelon of clubs. I take it you are fully aware of the pyramid ?

Whiners and spivs !! Get a grip man, supporters of ANY club are only too happy to get an infusion of money and a top manager. In the case of Blackburn and Jack Walker, I saw Kenny Dalglish create a lovely team, a pleasure to watch, without the Chairman putting up his money, I would never have been priveleged to watch such a team.

Are you saying that big money should be kept out of football ? cause if you are, you are dafter than you already come across as. I have travelled to many countries to watch football, intentionally very little though, to see Internationals. In the past for instance, I have been to Madrid, Barcelona, Milan and Turin to see how the Italians and Spanish created their wealth through sponsorship and through many a shrewd Chairman and used it over many years for the long term benefits of the game. Their history goes deeper than davys locker and a greater place to learn about the whys and wherefores of the great game, is only matched by the soccer clubs in England.

Take away the money that comes in the game at all levels and you have no game. The biggest certainty then, is that you will end up with only the Premier league and sod all else.

Minority or not, you really need to learn the business mechanism that fuels football. To simply be jealous of another team and cry "not fair" when you actually mean "why can't it be my club" is showing an awful ignorance to what IT is all about and how a lot of money filters down to the lower levels..

"....My own club continues to suffer because of the greed and short sightedness of a few top clubs, and yes, it was worth my license fee, (even though it wasn't on the BBC) to see their faces"

Right, now tell us how your club suffers because of Chelsea ? Notts County, the oldest club in the league, a short while ago were looking doomed and going out of business, Roman Abromovich gave them a huge sum of money to help ensure their survival. If he had stayed in Russia with his money, would it have been goodbye Notts County ? Chances were, that it might well have been so. That is purely a one off direct account of how money has helped football.

Smaller clubs as well as top clubs (look at the demise of both Leeds and Forest as just 2 prime examples) have suffered over many years by bad management at the top. Brentford back in the late 60's early 70's went though the mill on many occasions. A lot of us who had soft spot for them, put in our fivers to become Bees "shareholders" to help save the club when it was thought to be hours from extinction, it more or less set the Bees history, they have kept pretty good books ever since and are a good club.

Alcazar said ".....If you don't like my attitude, tough!"

Your attitude is your problem, I should get it looked at, at least take the time to look properly in to how football actually evolves. Being sadly jealous of other clubs or being a sore loser has no place in a soccer afficianado's life.

Alcazar "....What are you, one of those "prawn-sandwich supporters?"

Sad man, we still had pies when I left the UK and I have to say, in those days the Rangers up at the bush and the Bees at Griffin Park had better pies than us.....

Alacazar said "....My support is done from a terrace, and yes, we give the opposing fans hell, even though we do stop short of the violence that goes with SOME clubs.....who do the so-called "Headhunters" support? All part of the "wonderful game".

You see, there is the difference, I never scream or shout at opposition supporters, waste of breath, they shout back. I listen to the banter all around and laugh and joke about it all. Violence is a dreadful part of the game. As the inimitable Cloughie once said, take the football away and they will drift off to another sport and terrorise that.

They are not the football supporters that any sensible lover of the game wants to see but life is like that, it can't be perfect but thankfully there are far more of us who abhor violence and swearing at games it still a "wonderful game"

You also have a pretty short memory, look at the record books and it isn't that long ago that we nearly fell to the third division, would I have stopped supporting them ?

Je pense pas.....blue is the colour, football is the game...

[0BRIAN WOODHEADI,m here in franceddMMyyyy0Falseen-USI,m here in franceTrue]

Miki,I hope you drew breath through that last posting /whinge.Je suis en le sud de la france,not d`arn sarf,as you put it.loads of debt but no class you lot in the sarf.The treble well dream on you will never do it like what Sir Alex did,

 

[Cjb]

I see your French is no better than your English, Outie. Is Alcazar a mate of yours by the way?? Does he live in France? Have a holiday home in France? Know where France is or how to spell it...???

You're a southerner yourself now, Outie!!

[Miki]

[quote]Miki,I hope you drew breath through that last posting /whinge.Je suis en le sud de la france ,not d`arn sarf,as you put it.loads of debt but no class you lot in the sarf.The treble well dream on you w...[/quote]

I will tell you this, it is well known in football but not by you obviously and not just in England but throughout Europe, that Alex "master of whinge" Ferguson, would have been sacked by all of the top clubs long ago.

How many chances has he had at winning the Champions Cup ? And he has won it how many times ? Nuff said.................

If Benitez wins the cup and good luck to Liverpool, then he will will have won 2 European cups in two years, like wise José Mourinho had also won 2 in just two years. Sorry but old Fergie is very much an also ran when it comes to winning what really matters, to a huge club such as Man Utd. Look around Europe at the great managers and see what their record is like in Europe and none had to rely on 2 goals in injury time to do it either

[Alcazar]

[quote]I see your French is no better than your English, Outie. Is Alcazar a mate of yours by the way?? Does he live in France? Have a holiday home in France? Know where France is or how to spell it...??? ...[/quote]

CJD: what a prat you are, do I know how to spell France?. Slide back under whatever rock and go away!

Try ARGUING your case BEFORE you get to whatever puerile insults.........

Alcazar

[Russethouse]

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[Cjb]

[quote]CJD: what a prat you are, do I know how to spell France?. Slide back under whatever rock and go away! Try ARGUING your case BEFORE you get to whatever puerile insults......... Alcazar[/quote]

Sorry, Alcazar, it's just that when you find two people with such similar vindictive and moronic views one can't help but assume some sort of link!! What exactly is your reason for posting on this forum? Perhaps you live in France, own property here or are a francophile who visits the country on a regular basis, then again...??

Waiting to stand corrected!!

[Alcazar]

Perhaps you live in France, own property here or are a francophile who visits the country on a regular basis, then again...??

Live in France? No, not yet, but would love to, work won't allow it at the mo, nor will two lads and a 91 year old father............perhaps some day.

Own property? yep, since 2002, but unfortunately only a holiday home at the mo

Francophile? No, not as mild as that, I'm an honorary Frenchman, apparently! And visits regularly? at least 4 times and sometimes 6 or 7 times per year, and when the house is 800km from Calais, and we're 400km from Dover, that's no mean feat, by car, often with a trailer.

BTW: most of my posts aren't vindictive, I just HATE the big money teams in the prem, who seem to think that WE exist because they do, where it's really the other way round No grass roots football = no smaller clubs = no feeder clubs and no large clubs, after all, most of 'em don't even bother with a youth set up now, they just go out and buy other team's players, often sticking them in the reserves, so they are effectively lost to footy for a few years, so the club that HAD them loses support and thus, revenue, and the cycle goes on.

I've said all this before, it has NOWT to do with jealousy, if a French club can't win the champion's league a British one ought to, but buy it outright? No thanks. That's a bit like buying an expensive computer game, then putting in so many "cheats" thast you can't lose, what's the point? Football may be a "wonderful game" but it IS supposed to be competetive!

Good night all,

Alcazar