ali-cat Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 I've noticed, over the last few months, a great change in the type of posts & replies being given on the forum What has really struck me is the personal attacts that have been started on some of the regular, long term members, in my opinion, for no reason. Things that were said, talked about & discussed months ago - with no animosity - are suddenly jumped upon by newer members & turned into slanging matches. Threads suddenly appear, that have no other reason but to cause an upset.Everyone is entitled to their own opinion & who is to say who is right or wrong - but to log-on to deliberately cause an argument seems very churlish, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weliveinhope Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 Well I suppose this occurs because newer members will be trawling the forum looking for information and may happen across something with which they disagree.It's important to bear in mind that all of the people with hundreds and thousands of posts were once new members too and that every single new member, despite (or maybe because of) how they begin, has the potential to become an integral part of the forum too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali-cat Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 Don't think you quite got my point. There seem to be new members who do nothing but take delight in insulting & abusing other members. I believe they are called "trolls". They pop-up (usually from below bridges!) in every forum - Mark was telling to me about some who have invaded a guitar forum he enjoys & they could even be causing similar problems on the football forum, you mentioned earlier.By the way (& I know I'm totally of subject) - thank God for Crouch & Gerrard in the last 10 minutes!! My nerves were frayed & finger nails bleeding!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patf Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 I agree with the points made by St. Amour and Alcazar too. Thosemembers who have lived in France a long time are obviously moreknowledgable, but honestly their views are often very biased, when Icompare them with advice from friends in our area who have been here aslong if not longer. They are by no means always right. I thinkit's mainly the Postbag and Lounge which aren't as good as before. Therest seems to be still at a good standard. I have only ever made onecomment to the moderators but have had to " hold my tongue" manytimes rather than get into a quarrel as I'm no good at that. Miki et al- not everyone can argue and debate constructively in writing. Pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaligoBay Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 [quote user="Patf"]their views are often very biased, when I compare them with advice from friends in our area who have been here as long if not longer. They are by no means always right. [/quote]LOL, forumites are biased because they don't agree with your friends? Why not your friends are biased because they don't agree with the forumites? [Www]Anyway, as every single commune in France seems to live a life completely independent of every other commune, maybe both are right? [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patf Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 Saligo - I put more faith in someone I know in real life than someonein cyberspace. At least I can see how they run their lives and questionwhat they say. Pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tresco Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 I wonder if Will got some sort of Special Dispensation to start this thread. Quillan made a brief appearance ealier, and Gay is bobbing around too. Moderation i.e, the actions of the Mods, has been mentioned, yet the thread remains. It's all most peculiar. And rather refreshing.By the way, I was having a bit of a lark before. I agree with Will, about the rash of deletions and lockings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opalienne Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 During the Miki banning episode I got so fed up with the childish behaviour on this forum that I said I wouldn't post anymore. That doesn't mean I was taking Miki's side; I never worked out what he had done so couldn't take a side..... But it hasn't stopped me dropping in to take a look at times, and that's only confirmed my belief that I did the right thing. As I`said at the time, I joined because I thought I might be able to help people and learn something myself, but almost everything I saw seemed to be about people taking offence at each other. Sure the moderation seems a bit heavy handed too, but it's primarily the posters who seem to have serious problems, and this is particularly worrying when it concerns people who are living in another country (think of the impression it must give to the French of foreigners!) Grow up or go to see a psychiatrist; I'm really off now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tresco Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 [quote user="Opalienne"] Grow up or go to see a psychiatrist.[/quote]Was that just for me?[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opalienne Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 No, it was for a lot of people. And now I really am off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miki Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 [quote user="Opalienne"]Grow up or go to see a psychiatrist; I'mreally off now. ~~~~ No, it was for a lot of people. Andnow I really am off! [/quote]I refuse to grow up, I really do. I have seen what it can do to people.They get grumpy and incontinent, they go to see the old trick cyclistesevery Wednesday afternoon. They go to Thé Dansants, they curl their hairand dye it red and to top it all, they go on marches for hours onend. No, I am all for staying another Peter Pan......and go to Benidormevery March and show ourselves up terribly, it's so bad, the kids won'teven meet up with us until we leave for more sedate areas. [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miki Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 [quote user="Patf"]Saligo - I put more faith in someone I know in real life than someonein cyberspace. At least I can see how they run their lives and questionwhat they say. Pat.[/quote]Fire away Pat, bung us some questions and we will see how we do [:)] We searched in the Gers for a while, nearly 20 years ago and decidedagainst buying there, not for any particular reason but it was notthen, what we had in mind. It was made pretty clear by a few Immos thatbarely any Brits were about. Would I be right then, by suspecting thatlong term Brits, over say, 20 years, would be thin on the groundin the Gers? Anyway, as SB said regions can differ and there is morethan one way to skin a merguez. I could also give you a differingversion of France in 3 to 4 regions that we know extremely well throughlife here. I have never claimed to know everything here, only what I doknow, I think I know well and will offer help based on that and NEVERon something I could only guess at or heard in a bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patf Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 Miki - You are right (!) about theshortage of brits in the Gers. But we are lucky to have 3 families asfriends who have been here for 20+ years. One couple have been here for30+ years and he is bilingual and on the council and a great source ofhelp. To get back to the forum - there are obviously some members whoare experts in a particular fields, and many who are well meaningand sympathetic. Can't think of a suitable question at themoment. Going back to Will - it's not so long since you were amoderator, so you should know who the complainers are. or have theychanged too? Pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miki Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 It was a genuine question. Although I am a little shocked, that in yourarea you have found 3 families with over 20 years of living here. I canhonestly say, that if I racked my brain, I could probably only come upwith half a dozen folks we know with similar longevity in all ofFrance.I think Will can answer in his own way but most of the real, so called complaints supposedlycame after Will resigned, can't remember much activity before. I usedto get an email from Will on rare occasions, asking if perhaps my replywas correct, we would talk for twenty minutes and then decide I wasright (sorry that's not true, that is my dedication to Brian clough !!)Will simply talked it through with anyone I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted June 15, 2006 Author Share Posted June 15, 2006 Well, we used to get the odd complaint, but most of those were just one person trying to score points off another rather than about any genuine breach of the forum code. So I have no way of knowing if there are more moaners about now. What Miki says is quite right, we used to discuss things, as Miki says he always thought he was right [;-)] I wasn't always so sure [blink] but we'd sort it out and have a good chat. Unfortunately that approach doesn't really fit in with the current rules.Thanks to everybody who has replied, in private as well as on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaligoBay Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 [quote user="Opalienne"]but it's primarily the posters who seem to have serious problems, and this is particularly worrying when it concerns people who are living in another country (think of the impression it must give to the French of foreigners!) Grow up or go to see a psychiatrist; .[/quote]Wooooo, Opalienne! [:D]French v foreigners indeed! Are you saying that French people never râle about trivial things? Get onto some French forums, they're not so very different! [:D]Oh, and going to see the psy is SUCH a French thing to do, dahling, they simply ALL do it, even if they don't tell you. It's certainly one way to feel integrated. [Www] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangur Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 online quarrelling is also addictive, in precisely the same way Tetris is addictive. It appeals to the "lab rat" part of your brain; the annoying, irrepressible part that adores repetitive pointlessness and would gleefully make you pop bubblewrap till Doomsday if it ever got its way. An unfortunate few, hooked on the futile thrill of online debate, devote their lives to its cause. They roam the internet, actively seeking out viewpoints they disagree with, or squat on messageboards, whining, needling, sneering, over-analysing each new proclamation - joylessly fiddling, like unhappy gorillas doomed to pick lice from one another's fur for all eternity. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1788773,00.html [:D]Living France was not the only message board I thought of when I read this! As weliveinhope says, these kind of things happen on every forum - you just have to learn how to separate the wheat from the chaff and ignore the pointless posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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