rivendell Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 My carte sejour runs out the end of October the Marie saysI do not need it any more, does anyone no for sure, I would like to renew it if possibleI have had it for five years and if nothing else it proves when I arrived in France, ( new healthcare rules)Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 They have to give you a Titre/Carte de Séjour if you ask for one. You might have to go to the préfecture.[quote]Demande facultative de carte de séjourInactifs Les "inactifs" (retraités et autres personnes sansactivités), qui ont établi leur résidence habituelle en France depuismoins de cinq ans, peuvent demander une carte de séjour "CE - nonactif". La durée de validité de la carte dépend de lapérennité des ressources présentées. Dans tous les cas, elle ne peutdépasser cinq ans. Doivent être fournis les justificatifs suivants : un titre d'identité ou un passeport en cours de validité, une attestation d'assurance maladie-maternité offrrant un certain nombre de prestations, les documents justifiant de ressources suffisantes pour le demandeur et, le cas échéant, pour les membres de sa famille. Guichet, coût et récépissé La demande doit être effectuée à la préfecture dulieu de résidence, voire à la sous-préfecture ou à la mairie ou aucommissariat, suivant les départements. Se renseigner en premier lieu auprès de la préfecture de son domicile. La délivrance de la carte est gratuite. Un récépissé est remis à toute personne qui demande la délivrance ou le renouvellement d'une carte. source: http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/particuliers/Etrangers en France[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 Forgive me Clair, but (you know far better than I) doesn't that say "for less than 5 years" (not our o/p)? I'm sure I must have got the wrong end of the stick...[8-)]Couldn't he get the permanent one now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suandpete Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 We went to our Mairie this morning (St Varent, 79 Deux-Sèvres) armed with print-outs in French of all the relevant laws. We have been here since April 2002 and are almost 2 years away from an E121 so the fact that we need to prove we have beeen here for more than 5 years may be crucial. We explained the CMU problem (they were totally unaware) and so they rang the Prefecture in Niort who said NO. We were kind of expecting that but the Mairie have provided us witha certificate signed by the Maire with a Commune stamp stating the date that we came to live here so hopefully it will do the same job.Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 [quote user="cooperlola"]Forgive me Clair, but (you know far better than I) doesn't that say "for less than 5 years" (not our o/p)? I'm sure I must have got the wrong end of the stick...[8-)]Couldn't he get the permanent one now?[/quote]Sorry, my fault.The link and quote were provided to show that the carte/titre de séjour had to be issued by the French authorities on request. They were not meant to apply to any specific circumstances.Apologies if I have inadvertently misled anyone.EDIT: I have found the relevant section on the page I linked to in my previous post, just a little bit further down...[quote]Carte de séjour permanent Les citoyens qui ont acquis un droit au séjourpermanent en France peuvent demander la délivrance d'une carte deséjour "CE - séjour permanent - toutes activités professionnelles",valable vingt ans. Cette carte, dont la possession n'est pas obligatoire, est renouvelable de plein droit.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suandpete Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 That is exactly the paperwork which we took with us to the Mairie this morning - they rang the Prefecture in Niort (we listened to the phone call) and they said NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Go to the préfecture.[quote]Séjour en France des citoyens européens non-actifsFormalités à l'installation en FranceLes citoyens de l'UE et assimilés, qui souhaitents'installer en France, doivent être munis d'une carte d'identité oud'un passeport en cours de validité. Dans les trois mois suivant leur arrivée, ilsdoivent se faire enregistrer auprès du maire de leur commune derésidence, sous peine d'amende. Une attestation d'enregistrement leur est immédiatement remise. Les intéressés ne sont pas tenus de détenir un titre de séjour. Toutefois, s'ils en font la demande, il leur en est délivré un. L'installation en France est subordonnée à l'absence de menace pour l'ordre public.vosdroits.service-public.fr/[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 I agree with Clair. If these are going to be a way into the CMU for those with 5 years' residence or more, then the prefectures are going to have to get their acts together. Demand the correct paperwork - it might save you a lot of money in the future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourangelle Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 But where do you go if they say no? I mean who is the next authority up, as it were? I think I am going to have this problem soon when I go to renew mine, because I've moved to a different departement. I'm perfectly prepared to argue it out with them and the town I live in has a prefecture in it, but where do you go if they say no?CMU is totally not an issue for me, not only do I work, but I'm a civil servant, and I think it is particularly useful to have French papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 I have just been on the phone to my préfecture, to request a carte de séjour for Mr Clair...[quote]Me: " Could you tell me how to go about getting a titre de séjour for my British husband?Préfecture: "he does not need one.Me:"I know he doesn't, but he prefers to have one and I understand that he can ask for one and you can issue it.P:" yes, if he asks for one, we'll issue it. He will need to supply...3 ID photoscopy of valid passportbirth certificatemarriage certificatecopy of French wife's ID cardproof of permanent address in Franceproof of health cover"Me:" he is employed and he has that from his work, so...?P:"in that case, he'll need to have a proof of employment, a copy of his employment contract and a copy of a payslip. You'll need to request a formulaire from your mairie."[/quote]I have just phone the mairie and they have set aside a form for me to collect this afternoon. I have been in contact with the mairie several times to find out about how the various changes will be affecting Mr Clair and, from my tel calls to them, they do know that there are changes afoot, however, they have not yet been informed of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 That could spark some nice circular conversations. "I need a titre de sejour to get CMU cover." "Yes, but we need proof of health cover before you can have one..."[:-))]All the more reason to INSIST that you have one, while your CMU attestations are still valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suandpete Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 But unfortunately they are not - most peoples ran out on Sunday...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Is it "most"? - ours are until 31.12.07. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suandpete Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Interesting - ours has always been 1 October to end Sept and I thought we were all the same....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 I get the distinct impression that some CPAMs make this up as they go along! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourangelle Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 [quote user="Clair"]I have just been on the phone to my préfecture, to request a carte de séjour for Mr Clair...[quote]Me: " Could you tell me how to go about getting a titre de séjour for my British husband?Préfecture: "he does not need one.Me:"I know he doesn't, but he prefers to have one and I understand that he can ask for one and you can issue it.P:" yes, if he asks for one, we'll issue it. He will need to supply...3 ID photoscopy of valid passportbirth certificatemarriage certificatecopy of French wife's ID cardproof of permanent address in Franceproof of health cover"Me:" he is employed and he has that from his work, so...?P:"in that case, he'll need to have a proof of employment, a copy of his employment contract and a copy of a payslip. You'll need to request a formulaire from your mairie."[/quote]I have just phone the mairie and they have set aside a form for me to collect this afternoon. I have been in contact with the mairie several times to find out about how the various changes will be affecting Mr Clair and, from my tel calls to them, they do know that there are changes afoot, however, they have not yet been informed of them.[/quote]Clair do you mind me asking, why do you have to go to the mairie? Is it just because you are not near to a prefecture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 [quote user="Tourangelle"]Clair do you mind me asking, why do you have to go to the mairie? Is it just because you are not near to a prefecture?[/quote]That's right. the préfecture and sous-préfecture are all around 1 hr drive away.I did get the form and I'll get started this week. They told me at the mairie they had had a request for a Belgian citizen last month and the 10 year carte de séjour was done within 3 weeks... We'll see...The form is for a first request and they ask for my ID details (French spouse) as well.Apart from the usual ID and proof of residence, there arefive sections to choose from as regards professional activity:employed (provide work contract + 2 payslips + proof of health cover)self-employed (provide documents relevant to the registered trade)farmerstudentno profession (provide proof of financial status + health cover) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourangelle Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Thanks Clair. I can also provide the French spouse too if necessary, although it does seem strange...but if that it what it takes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Just one annoying thing: they require all documents in a foreign language to be translated by a certified/agreed translator [:@], which is likely to cost about €50 per document: his birth and adoption certificates and our UK marriage certificate.The French spouse thing should make things easier, in the sense where the French half is already "in the system" here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourangelle Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Don't you have a livret de famille? We got married in the UK, but we registered the marriage at the embassy in London, who translated the marriage certificate and then our livret de famille came through. It took ages, (six weeks-ish) because it went to Nantes, then back to London, then to us, and it cost a lot in recorded delivery, but certainly less than 50 euros. I'm afraid you're probably right about the price because that is exactly what I paid to have my degree certificate translated. I'm hoping to avoid all of this to some extent because it is a change in département, and not a new request. I'm kind of perplexed as to why it matters that you are married given that your husband works. I suppose they just like to have all the info they can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Clair, my notaire is bi-lingual. Do you think if I translated the documents myself, and got him to sign them as correct, that this would be acceptable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Tourangelle: we don't have a livret de famille, as I never registered the marriage with the French Ambassy in London (bunch of lazy farts anyway). When I contacted them a couple of years ago trying to get one, they would not accept Mr Clair's adoption certificate as the equivalent of a birth certificate and could not understand that it is impossible to obtain a birth certificate showing the name of the adoptive parents in the UK... long story and I am slightly concerned we'll come across this problem again in this particular attempt...[:'(] but at least, I'll be able to argue the toss face to face if it comes to it...Coops: I really don't know if that would be acceptable to the préfecture... I believe the mairie is supposed to have a list of traducteurs agréés, so you could ask them if they would accept a translation done by a notaire, who is, after all, a certified person too...Believe me, if I could get away with it, I certainly would...[Www] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastet Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Thank you all for this thread. I was thinking about trying again at our Mairie, to ask for a renewal of my OH's CdS which was issued 5 years ago. It's about to expire but not only does he use it for ID, especially for his business purchases, but it also says he's "non-actif" Not great if he was ever stopped by the gendarmes who wanted to check his legality.When I previously asked about this a few months ago, I was brushed off by the 'he doesn't need one' agrument, and my French isn't good enough to push the point. Now I've printed off these pages from the vosdroits site, I feel better armed for the battle! Thanks Clair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 No problem... [:)]I'll update the thread as and when something happens and hopefully, it can be used as a template of sorts for others who want to get a carte de séjour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastet Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 My update so far; secretary at Mairie trotted out party line as expected then rather flummoxed by printed proof to the contrary. I'm going back tomorrow armed with various documents, she's going to fill in relevant form and we're going to take on the might of the Niort Prefecture. It may be some time before a response but I'll let you'all know.My one concern is that they'll nit-pit about our date of entry into France. The date on the CdS is Dec 2002 although we moved over in August. I hope old utility bills will do the trick.font and colour changed by a mod (Clair) for ease of reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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