Gyn_Paul Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 In the course of the grand rewiring, I've got to the stage of sourcingphone sockets. I understand that the standard French outlet for newinstallations from 1 Jan 2008 is to be an RJ45 socket. This is great news as I've long regarded the french inverted 'T' phonesocket to be the 2nd-most useless connection in the known universe.However, I cannot find the new standard (in any design range) in thebricos. Any of the Leccy professionals seen them in the trade catalogesyet?p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Go on, I'll be the one to ask, which is the No. 1st most useless connection in the known universe then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 got to be Scart cables, surely? they are just rubbish.Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 I was sooooooo hoping you were going to say that, I'm with you 100%Great concept utterly ruined by a cr*ppy implementation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyn_Paul Posted August 27, 2007 Author Share Posted August 27, 2007 Yep, Scart plugs/sockets, Designed so that they are sighted on the back of a tv in the very placewhere there is a vibration node to ensure it works itself loose, and insuch a position as to be imposible for any human to reach round andline the thing up straight to put it back in thus necessitatingdragging a 70 lb TV out of a cabinet in order to get a damned satellitepicture.Basically, only an idiot (or in this case a committee of idiots) would design something with such crappy little pins and expect it tosupport the weight of a shielded cable without some sort of lockingmechanism.Rant over.Now, about the phone plugs........p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onion van man Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 RJ45 for a phone socket ? I would have thought it would be RJ11 myself ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin963 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 You'd have thought they'd (Peritel committee) have learnt the lesson from DIN plugs so favoured in the 60's and 70's for interconnecting hi-fi (before RCA phonos). If they were good quality they were OK but most weren't and gave endless trouble. I still have a LEAK amplifier festooned with the wretched sockets, and getting a stable stereo image is a nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eslier Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 You can buy them on-line here:http://www.materiel.net/ctl/Cables_reseaux/19048-Boitier_mural_RJ45_blinde.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyn_Paul Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 Hmmm.. not very attractive is it?p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyn_Paul Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 [quote user="Martinwatkins"]You'd have thought they'd (Peritelcommittee) have learnt the lesson from DIN plugs so favoured in the60's and 70's for interconnecting hi-fi (before RCAphonos). If they were good quality they were OK but mostweren't and gave endless trouble. I still have a LEAKamplifier festooned with the wretched sockets, and getting astable stereo image is a nightmare.[/quote]Yes, the reason XLRs work so well is the comparatively huge contactarea coupled with the fact that the shell (at least on the professionalversions) locks male into female.DINs were also a nightmare to try and solder as well. Even 30 years agowhen my hands were a lot less shaky than they are now (early onsetintentional tremor I think!), I usually managed you melt the plasticbase before successfully soldering all of the 5 pins.p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyn_Paul Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 [quote user="Onion van man"]RJ45 for a phone socket ? I would have thought it would be RJ11 myself ! [/quote]Yes, you'd thinks so, wouldn't you? Maybe they reckon the greaternumber of pins will help future-proof the new standard a bit.p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eslier Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 mmmm. . I have to agree !This one:http://www.pixmania.com/fr/fr/166517/art/hama/prise-murale-rj45-x-2-cat.htmlis slightly less ugly and seems to have a built in adsl filter which is useful ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Trollope Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 [quote user="Gyn_Paul"]In the course of the grand rewiring, I've got to the stage of sourcing phone sockets. I understand that the standard French outlet for new installations from 1 Jan 2008 is to be an RJ45 socket. This is great news as I've long regarded the french inverted 'T' phone socket to be the 2nd-most useless connection in the known universe.However, I cannot find the new standard (in any design range) in the bricos. Any of the Leccy professionals seen them in the trade cataloges yet?p[/quote]Getting back to the OP's question;Yes they are available from legrand, as part of the Mosaic and Neptune ranges, amongst others. Connections are the "B" standard (IIRC). An 8-pin RJ45 will handle data, 2 telephone lines and TV - all from 1 socket. As you say, so much better than the 'orrid 'phone sockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyn_Paul Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 Thanks Nick,No doubt they'll trickle down to the murkey depths of the sheds eventually.p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 The trouble with having RJ45 as a standard is that if you connect your pc lan card to the phone socket by accident it will not like the 60v when it rings. RJ11 is fine for phones, and is the standard in many countries. I appeciate that you can run multiple services through RJ45, and in industrial applications that is fine as sys admins know what they are doing, the average householder however does not.RegardsSimon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonzjob Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 [quote user="Gyn_Paul"]Yep, Scart plugs/sockets, Designed so that they are sighted on the back of a tv in the very place where there is a vibration node to ensure it works itself loose, and in such a position as to be imposible for any human to reach round and line the thing up straight to put it back in thus necessitating dragging a 70 lb TV out of a cabinet in order to get a damned satellite picture.p[/quote]P, why do you want a picture of a setalight?[8-)]Will this one do??[IMG]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/Jonzjob/200px-Sputnik_asm.jpg[/IMG][Www][blink][kiss] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyn_Paul Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 [:P] Do you suppose the gag would have worked better if your typing had been up to snuff ??p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonzjob Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Nowt rong wiv my smelling or my tryping![8-)]I have got to agree that the French phone plug/sockets are one of the not so endearing things here. I suppose if you had enough phones plugged into one socket you ccould actually cross the room? Screw up the renn number though peut etra?I had to install a small IBM mainframe for a French company in Wiltshire some years back and the French guy had spent about 1/2 hour looking fot the socket to plug the modem line into. He wouldn't believe that such a small socket could possibly do the same job as well as the French one he was holding!! That was the first time I had seen the French monstrosity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onion van man Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 [quote user="Simon"]The trouble with having RJ45 as a standard is that if you connect your pc lan card to the phone socket by accident it will not like the 60v when it rings. RJ11 is fine for phones, and is the standard in many countries. I appeciate that you can run multiple services through RJ45, and in industrial applications that is fine as sys admins know what they are doing, the average householder however does not.RegardsSimon[/quote]I can imagine that happening quite often. I had someone complainingthat he could not copy TV from his cable tv box here in the UK. He waspluging an external USB hard drive into the USB socket on the backwhich is for the built in cable modem. When I tryed to explain he justkept saying there was something wrong with the box because it didn'twork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strebor Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Hi all, I've read this thread with some amusement at the musings over the SCART socket, I believe the story was that the set manufactures would only include it if it cost them nothing and I think they must have got close.Back to RG45 as a phone sockets, I've had them put in our new build and judging by the price from Legrand they must have been assembled on the thighs of dusky maidens, E45 EACH I was looking at the power over ethernet specs the other day and the ringing should be separate pins and the 48 volts on another set, and it's only enabled when the providing device senses a POE device on the end...yeh still I allways liked the smell of ozone and burning plastic M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Trollope Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 [quote user="strebor"]Back to RG45 as a phone sockets, I've had them put in our new build and judging by the price from Legrand they must have been assembled on the thighs of dusky maidens, E45 EACH[/quote]I'm glad to see that price fixing and trade protection is alive and well in France. I pay (as a "professional" user) 1/5th of that!Hah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonzjob Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 The Legrand version has arrived in E Lecerc here in Carcassonne. I am going to replace the main socket in our place. Can anyone tell me which connectors are used for what please??? I have tried the Legrand site, but to no avail!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyn_Paul Posted October 27, 2007 Author Share Posted October 27, 2007 JJ, what are you going to plug into it? p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonzjob Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 A phone?[8-)]No, seriously??? I have got one now and what I was asking before was what went where for the wiring. It is all given in the packaging. All I have to do now is to get an RJ45 to 11 cable so that I can plug the blasted thing in to the phone and the wall. I thought I had one? But did you realise that an RJ11 plug will slot into na RJ45 socket and look as if it were meant to be there. It don't work though!I think that it's some sneeky Chinese trick to break our comms down. I wonder if I should tell G Bush?[6][8-)]Oh, nurse, where's me tablitz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyn_Paul Posted October 28, 2007 Author Share Posted October 28, 2007 What I was really thinking (but was to tired to type) was if you had a device (like er... a phone) with a RJ45 terminated cable you could do a bit of detective work with a multimeter. but you would have thought of that, of course. Ever get the feeling this change hasn't been quite thought through properly?p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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