Stefan

[quote user="Jacqui Too "] Whats all the fuss about, your getting some thing so cheap and you still want it cheaper!! I paid £41.00 for a return to Limoges last month, cost me more that that to get to the airport and have a coffee and a bun! [/quote]   Jacqui That's most sensible and realistic post on this thread....The Airline Industry could be about to implode due to oil prices (Euromanx suspended services today) so at the moment I'd just be grateful I'd got an airline flying to the destination I want to go to.. Rgds Stefan

RicandJo...Stop showing off [:)] - I hope you enjoyed the experience and choose to do so again [:D]    

Since I'm no expert on matters maritime I'll perhaps bow to your opinion that that ferry prices will rise more than the cost of airlines. Nevertheless the LoCos have generally driven most of their operating costs ( e.g. landing fees, crew costs)  down to such a level that  fuel costs make up an increasingly dominant fraction of operating costs - no matter how clever they are at negotiating fees and subsidies.   In my humble opinion this winter folks are going to be faced with the fewer flights or no flights on many routes. Going off at a tangent ( if I haven't already) the argument against forward facing seats has always been that passengers don't like facing aft ( having flown down the back of an RAF VC-10 years ago I must admit it did seem strange) and also that there is a reduction in protection from loose objects in the event of an accident...since we now have rear facing seats on many passenger aircraft I guess those arguments no longer apply. As for volatile liquids - agreed,. As for .."management are in general...  totally disbelieved"...completely agree.            

Anton Well if "my" management are to be believed oil at well over $100 it is very much going to have an impact on aviation, tax or not. Some airlines have already lost the protection of hedging so this is going  hurt.         

[quote user="P2"]    I think anyone buying in France needs to be careful if there is only one provider of transport to an area. [/quote]   Very sound advice. BTW judging by your other posts you know a bit about the aviation industry, can I ask are you/were you a P2, P2?

To be fair Iceni I think you'll find many Western European airlines have made a profit in the last year or two, and that includes the likes of Air France, BA (despite T5), Easyjet, et al, as well as Ryanair. The trick is going to be continuing to make a profit in the next year or two with fuel at  over 100 US Dollars a barrel and a credit squeeze.    

It might not be the only destination they quit - according to other web sites, both expat specific and aviation specific, Ryanair are grounding about 20 of their aircraft this Winter becasue of the unfavourable fuel costs.   

Cendrillon Thanks for setting me straight - didn't make a splash (!) down here (09), but then not much does [:)]  . .    

Anyway....do you think we've answered cowoman's original question..?.[:D]

ErnieY Despite your hope's the "language barrier" certainly has led to fatalities in French Airspace in the past. One of the contributory causes to the accident I've linked to below (at CDG) was the use of two languages.  http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20000525-1   Thanks for the other site but it doesn't add anything - we already know from Met reports that the weather was wet and windy, aircraft off the end, slides etc.  The eyewitness opinions, and guesses, such as the aircraft  landing unusually  fast, will either be proved or not by the Flight Data Recorder...which will have been examined....    

Hoddy Ah I wondered how long it would be before there was a link to that forum ........ despite the forum's full name (Professional Pilots Rumour Network) many of the posters have got no further in their flying careers than MS Flight Sim, so don't rely on it as a source of definitive info on the Limoge Incident... Vern Hi, Thanks for your support, I shall wear etc, etc.   Regards & Happy Landings   Stefan (09)       

ErnieY..I have yet to see any findings of any inquiry  but you seem quite keen to apportion blame.  Yes it could have been an handling error by the crew. It also have been ATC passing an incorrect surface wind or runway state, or a problem with the braking action on a recently resurfaced runway or a whole host of other things such as brake failure...lets wait and see.  Oh and by the way, it's pilots plural, on most airliners, not pilot

Not a joke, it happened a couple of weeks back, well before April 1st, when a Ryanair 737 went off the end of the Runway at Limoges and closed the airport for a while ( The airport closure was the subject of another very brief thread).  The good news was it was a low speed overrun, the passengers were evacuated, no-one was seriously injured and the aircraft damage was minor. http://limousin-poitou-charentes.france3.fr/info/41325619-fr.php And this is a good example of why people should  pay attention to the safety briefing - on every flight[:@].   Stefan (09)   (edited to add: I'm not suprised you weren't sure if it really happened - it barely registered on the radar here in France, and only seemed to make the specialist aviation websites elsewhere.  If they had gone off the end at Liverpool or elsewhere in the UK I'm sure Sky's helicopter would have been hovering over the site for days..welll perhaps not.. and we would still be being bored rigid with passengers telling of neardeath experiences[:)] )  

Ladies/Gents I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned already but Limoge airport may be closed for the next day or two due to an incident.  Anyone travelling into/out of Limoge this weekend might want to confirm thir flight details with their airline.

newbiee: you may be right but the BAA security guidlines ( the ones the operators should be working to ) are quite clear in stating that most sharp edged items are banned.    Joidivie: if you are feeling lucky and are not emotionally/financially attached to said frames then it might be worth having a go with them in handbaggage ( I suspect newbiee is right and you will get them through) , but if the operator on the day deems them as being "sharp edged" you will  loose them.  It's your call.         

I think getting these items through will just be a matter of luck.  As far as I'm aware glass is not specifically banned but if the screeners decide it's not going through then that's it...Of course there's  plenty of glass available once you are airside (duty free, etc) but often logic has nothing to do with airport security.    IMHO if the picture's are of any value to you and they have to travel I would check them in, suitably packaged, as hold baggage. 

[:)][:)][:)]   Thanks chaps, remove dongle, system restore, and re-entering WEP worked a treat!!   Rgds, dongleless of 09

Well when I right click on the Wirless Network Icon ( bottom Right )  I do indeed get a message mentioning the Wireless Zero Configuration Tool...maybe it's going to be simpler to system restore and see what happens!   There now follows a long silence!!!!

I've got a venerable Vaio laptop, which has given me wireless access away from home perfectly happily for several years. This weekend we went all mod cons at home and installed a Dartybox with wi-fi card.  Of course I soon discovered my Laptop wireless card would'nt work with the Dartybox so installed the USB Dongle, plus software, and all was fine.....however ( the techies will know what's coming) whilst rumaging around with the laptop this PM I discovered the dongle and/or it's software hads seriously disabled my integral wireless "card"...seems in order to get the integral wireless back I have to go through some fancy reinstall...not ideal if I want to switch between remote working and working at home on a regular basis.   The laptop and wi-fi has worked perfectly fine around the world for probably 5 years, so I'm not best pleased - at very least does anyone know of a quick fix that would allow me to swtch between the dongle and the internal card?   Rgds Stefan   

Ball park figures - fuel burn increases by roughly  3% -4% of the extra weight carried for every hour of flight and aviation fuel is running at very very roughly 1000 USD a tonne ( varies significantly from operator to operator depending on hedging and contracts)...I'll leave somebody else to do the cost/benefit analysis but remember the airlines aim to increase aircraft utilisation to the max by reducing turn round time....so perhaps minising hold baggage has got more to do with turnround time than fuel usage or baggage handlers.     

Cendrillon Yep, that's the sort of example of what I was thinking of and it is why I'd think twice about 14 year olds traveling alone by air.. You'll be glad to know that some of the full service airlines still provide a service for "Unaccompanied Minors", as they used to be known. For those not in the know  the children are escorted through the aiport by a minder, formally handed off to the Cabin Crew, and met with a minder at destination...if all goes wrong en-route then the Airline will look after the children. There's usually a relatively small fee but it's probably more than you'd pay for a weekend return with the Lo-Cos, ..then again, you get what you pay for.   Regards      

BobDee Thanks for the update...Happy Landings

[quote user="Pads"]Will airlines allow a 14 year old to travel on her own, with a change over ?[/quote]   Depends on the airline, some allow 12+ to travel alone, others allow 14+, , others have other rules, so you'll need to check out each airline's website. Your comment about the "change over" is very valid...If someone is contemplating sending a youngster solo on a multi-sector flight they must consider what happens if the onward flight is cancelled, or the connection is missed resulting  in the youngster being left at the intermediate airport, perhaps overnight, awaiting the onwards flight.  It does happens and some airlines are better at dealing with disruption/delays than others.    

[quote user="Iceni"]   The problem, as usual, is inconsistent application of the rules. But no surprise to those who live in France. [/quote] But the alledged inconsistent application of the rules happened in the UK  [8-)]

[quote user="Hagar"][quote user="Bastet"] I know for a fact that they went through security like this as I noticed them in the queue.  Maybe the secret is to dress up.... [/quote] Quite likely they were off duty aircrew - restrictions don't apply to them. rgds Hagar [/quote]   Um, doesn't sound like they were off duty aircrew to me ........perhaps these passengers were musicians - their Union got a waiver from the 1 bag rule very early in it's existence...an exemption that caused much bewilderment and annoyance amongst aircrew travelling as passengers...[8-)]   I digress - the one/two bag rule, Stansted, allegations of it being jumped up officials, etc.  The Dft ( actually it's security arm Transec) dropped the blanket UK "one bag only" rule earlier this year...however some airports are required to still enforce a one bag rule because they do not yet have the resources to screen 2 bags per pax. That's why LGW (N) is still one bag only and probably the reason why Stansted is the same.