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Everytime I see one of my neighbours he has a can of Red Bull in his hands, he makes trips to Spain to get that along with his ciggies. MrO used to use it when he was driving down here on his own, but he said he got such a rush of energy  and then felt tired again soon after that he stopped doing it. Now he stops for a nap and then has a coffee intead.

[quote user="JMB"][quote user="Russethouse"] Policemen are human and make mistakes, and I guess there have been lots of times that quite a few of us have cursed the police for not acting ( I wrote a long post about one such situation this afternoon, then lost it ) I'm sorry that Mr O was caught in this situation and if compensation is due, then he should get it, but on the whole I would rather that mistakes were made being over zealous, than not being zealous enough. (as long as firearms are not involved) I feel safer that way... [/quote] It's a good job firearms were not involved. GMP don't do firearms very well. [/quote] [6][:'(][Www][blink]

[quote user="Russethouse"]   To answer the earlier question, frankly I wouldn't expect the first police involved to make any phone calls on my behalf, even to prove me innocent, I'd expect to be taken to the station, given access to some sort of representation and for that person to organize the call. Maybe thats wrong, let's hope I never have to find out[;-)] As Opas has said she doesn't wasn't to give all the facts, but on the face of it the chap was stopped, was of no fixed abode and in a car not mentioned on the ferry ticket. That raised suspicions, that part seems OK - after that ...we'll have to wait and see....... I do think there is a discrepancy between what the police require and the ferry companies will accept  in regard to identifying vehicles and that should be regularized.     [/quote] Firstly , he was stopped on the motorway. The police do not need an excuse to stop anyone , as it states on the Home Office Website. Also you have 5/7 days to produce documents as in UK it is not yet law that people have to carry their License, Insurance or Mot cert in thier vehicle. So why ask for the Insurance papers on a foreign reg car , in this case French, if you do not know how to interpret them, or use the info available. To me it is common sense So would you expect to be arrested to get to the police station to make that phone call? You couldn`t drive your car there as you may not be insured, you cannot park your car on the Hard Shoulder as this too is illegal and use the police car as a  as a Taxi, the easiest , quickest and cheapes option all round would be for the police to make a call to satify themselves that you are/are not insured     Can I also point out here Mr O is NOT  without a fixed abode as you all know we have several  addresses in France, the police were not interested in any of those....they wanted a UK address!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  So aparently according to them , not only do you need a UK address to work there you should also buy a new car at Dover and Insurance to go with it! In this case all  relevant documents were carried,  but the police who stopped Mr O(who has been during his professional life has been in the back of many police cars,and these two were the worst, and can vouch that indeed the police will make a phone call to check something out....) claimed in court that because the documents were in French  ( hello! what did they expect from a French Plated vehicle!) and they did not understand them and that there was an issue as to when the car entered the Country Enough, you have all made your mind up, I am sure that if it had been an upstanding member of you forum with this problem , there would be an uproar.. This could happen to any of you. Whilst at the station after the court getting his paperwork for car release the majority of the client were Polish,  this crackdown of foreign cars is called Operation Wolverine.........  

No it was a cold wet morning! At no point was he asked when the car came into the country by the police, they were stuck on the no insurance and working on a green card issue (even though according to them he had not got ins) The proof of entry was brought up in the courts to release the car along with a valid ins cert.......he gave the same document to the police on duty to  get a paper to release the car as the one that was dismissed by the traffic cops.....only this desk policeman had the noggin to use the phone number on the back to check its validity. I am repeating myself now.

Please re read this thread.   It all started because the police stoped a car with French plates, no offence was being commited, ie  all the tyres are legal (one of the ways we proved that the car was in France in early April...2 new front tyres) none of the lights misfunction, he was not speeding, no breath test requested, he had all paperwork needed, clean Licence(albeit French) French TDS, Brit passport (issued in Paris........no UK address to obtain a cheaper Brit version from[Www]) and last but foremost all his insurance documents.......There is no need to investigate anything there, it is a European motor certificate, look at yours it even says so on the back........there is a phone no for every number in the EU, so it is not hard to phone through to check a valid document and may I remind you he was stopped on the motorway by the Traffic cops....there is a clue in the tittle there[geek]  God help us if they cannot get a the easy bit right! These 2 then go on to be inspector Clueless and put 2 and 2 together and reach a silly figure.  There was no need for arrest, I could have faxed all the car maintenance records to that station on Saturday morning, I do not have a fax but would have knocked on doors untill I found a house with one........they had access to a 24 ins line, I only had office hours Mon to Fri. They could have used their brains and took his passprt of him, untill the said documentation came through.   But no they decided it was illegal to work whist driving on a green card. Someone find me a piece of paper that officially says that and I shall eat my Catalan Dragon hat! When this is finished(in about 5 years time, if I have not been banned before then for loosing patience) I will fill you in with all the missing gaps, as there are quite a few, but I will not publish them to the web as I do not want anyone to backtrack on their statements (ie the Police) as there are a number of issues here that really make them look stupid, nasty and malicious. I shall save my energy for the fight ahead!

I keep saying I am not going to add anymore but here goes. there is one simple issue here, the fact that the Traffic cops could have used the 24 hour Insurance no on the back of the green card and refused.  My husband was then arrested by 2 police who thought he was being smart because he wouldn`t give them a UK address. Once arrested he could not be released untill he went through the courts. There is information to suggest that these 2 did not do their job properly which resulted in 3 days loss of liberty for Mr O , a day of me wondering why the hell he was not answering his phone and another 2 of a nightmare situation. A huge bill for enforced parking, which was made longer than necessary as thee is an appointment system to release the vehicle. All those who feel that we are silly to persue this are free to do so,  but can i reiterate that IF this had gone the way the cops wanted it to , my husband would have ended up with 6 points on his license , a crushed car and in the end no job.

Let me assure you that this will not be swept under the carpet. It is in the hands of the IPCC and as such at the momment everything is in mid air. He is not at all put off by all this as he has followed the law as it is written to the letter, and not as it was construed by a Traffic cop who obviously woke up halfway through a training session. We know that our car can be tracked through the UK , it has been proven before with other cases, but if the police were not prepared to phone the Ins Helpline on the back of the green card then they are not going to put themselves out to prove date of entry......the onus is on US or  Joe Public! He has contacted various MPs and the Home Office as well as Euro MPs and had various responses. The funniest thing we have done out of all this is to contact the car pool company who painted the acc no on the bonnet of our car, and has taken 2 car washes and a T Cut to get off, and ask them to send the monetary equivallent to our chosen charity........Shelter, which tickled us as he was also locked up as he couldn`t provide a UK address[:-))]

I will look at this thread again on Tues/wed as one of out neighbours who have a holiday home here comes from that area....he should be here on Monday.

I wish I had never looked at this thread! Mr O commented about 20 mins ago that my watch was slow, I replied that I know and that it loses about half an hour over the day. I gave it another few turns and I think I have over wound it (I that really can happen)   Friday 13th [:(]

I am wearing the watch my dad bought me over 30 years ago, It is a wind up one. I have 2 others  , one was bought for my 40 th birthday and the other was a present from Mr O....both need batteries(not Mr O!) and whenever I think I will put one of these on the battery has run out!   I do not have or want a mobile phone although Mr O insists I take one of his when I go out alone in the car.........then about a week later he will ask me where it is, in the glovebox of the car of course!     My dad still wears the watch presented to him when he left the Army in 1958, It was stolen once in a break in at our house in the `70s and he got it back in the same condition about 2 years later when it was pawned and traced by the inscription on the back.

No  TU did not live anywhere near Montpellier. I think you may be thinking of another female longstanding member of this forum who had a tragic experience of this Hospital. We on the other hand have so far nothing but praise, although Wills comments on the Orthopeadics in France has unnerved me a little, seing as this is the area we are mainly reliant on.

sweet and juicy, so much so that it runs down your arms! "old lag" no idea, what is that? that is not an expression I am familliar with.

There was an article in l`independant this week about the cherries in dept 66, aparently up to 80 % of the crop was lost by some growers in the area with the heavy rains we had over the past week, so I expect the price will go up not down. I have not had to buy any so far, most of my gardening neighbours have their own trees, so if I am prepared to shin up a few trees I can take the ones from on high!   I was given half a dozen peaches , first of the season,yesterday from my neighbours garden, they smell wonderfull

[quote user="Russethouse"]I don't think it was a case of being able to afford a victory parade, it  was more a punishment for previous bad behavior, wasn't it ?[/quote]   I thought it was because of the situation between Glasgow? and whoever it was that played at Trafford the week before...lots of trouble and not a United shirt playing.

Oh dear, it just gets worse doesn`t it!  Outie was arrested by the Traffic cops and taken to ..............?????? Swinton! they were shapless.   And who thought I was exagerating at the amount of cop cars sent for Mr O??????  from where? Swinton!  look at the size of that lady and how many were despatched to deal with her......its a joke! perhaps if they wen`t so extravagent on silly things they could have afforded to bive Man U the welcoming parade they deserved last week.  

1) awaiting advice of solicitor 2) make sure you can clarify when your vehicle went to UK, 3) he read Pappillon whilst stuck in the cells.....ironic or what!..........oh , you meant writing a book, what for the Outie haters to take the P out of his spelling and grammar. Mrs O    

It did nothing but rain here yesterday, Our Black Xantia (the free Outie one[Www]) came back beautifully waxed and polished last week....this morning it is full of sand and looks like it has never seen a carwash! The weather and land is warming up and drying out again today.

Yes he got his car back, by the route that the police should have taken to check his insurance..... they phoned the MIB on the back of his policy.................He is now home in France. Once again , thank you to all who supported us.

Each to their own oppinion as they say, but the simple fact of the matter is that the evidence was a phone call away and they refused to do it.  Two days in the clink  when it all could have been sorted out with a phonecall and acouple of faxs from this end. You can all argue this out between yourselves now as I am not going to justify anything more.  

No the insurance was the starting point, when the police decided it was not valid and arrested him as he had no UK address, then they start to look at the car and think he has been swanning round the country without tax on foregn insurance, so they then think he should have re reg`d the car. All he had was a number on a bit of paper....he went to the library in Uk to acess emails and printed off the document, thats when he remembered he had booked with the Astra...Merde!

Hey listen nit pickers and jokers , after the weekend I have had you are lucky I didn`t type transvestite police...no insult intended to anyone! Yep traffic cops!     I am pleased to say that after getting the first bus to the city of Mcr this morning and being given a bit of a runnaround he has got our car back....the bills I sent for repairs to the car swung it that the car had only been in UK for a short time. Please can I just ask anyone who is taking a trip over to UK in their car ( or anywhere for that matter) please make sure that if you do take a diferent car to the one named on your travel documment, pay the extra fee to have it ammended.....it could save you a lot of time and trouble.....

Yes  definatly Red fuel here in the south too. The same garage that delivers the stuff by the tanker has a pump on his forcourt which says something to the tune of " not for domestic vehicles "  I know it is red as I have wached vans pull up and fill clear plastic jerry cans with the stuff....I assume it is used for generators and garfem mowers.

  No mystery, as stated above  when he was stopped he was asked for insurance papers ,The police did not want to listen when he said that it was a valid ins, showed tham all the details on it but they wouldn`t take his word for it and refused to get an interpretor (which it turns out they didn`t need to do.....all they had to do was phone the MIB...on the back of the card) The car is in his name, the insurance is in his name. The cart gris is in his name , his passport has another 6 years to run. I feel they thought he was being smart when he said he had no UK address to give them.......he had not been staying with anyone, the irony is that he is now with my dad, but as I have also mentioned earlier he would not put my dads address formard just to tick a box. I would have thought that in the days of free and easy accross boarder travel that the transport police....yes you read that right  , would know how to deal with a foreign looking document. It was not a beat bobby on the street that made this blunder it was the tranxport police. As also stated before, the custody seargent told me in no uncertain terms that it was ILLEGAL to work whilst traveling on a green card! There are a lot off irregularities on behalf of the police, I have an independant witness to prove one of them, which I shall not be dicussing on an open forum as Outcast has contacted various authorities and is taking the matter further.

[quote user="Ron Avery"] Just what was there in my post that caused Opas so much angst?  The fact that I pointed out it was outcast involved?  There is nothing else that I can see that would have caused any offence.  I have not been proved wrong of every count only that I had forgotten that he would be treated as a foreign national which Ernie politely corrected me about, the rest was 100% accurate, he did kick off as we knew he would charming chap that he is.  Post edited by the moderators. Users must not post messages which are insulting, abusive, racist, sexist, or derogatory in any way to others, whether they are individuals or companies, users of the Forum or not. This includes material sent via personal e-mails through this forum. [/quote] Hey Ron Your second sentence in that statement must mean you have a very high Mensa.[:-))]....... Ron and the reat of the forum. I have put a footnote on the post where I said I had immagined he would resist arrest. He has told me he did not resist arerest, which in one way supprised me and in another didn`t. So Ron , you think you know my husband better than me because you KNEW he would kick off...............well you are almost 100% wrong, you are right about the fact he is a charming chap[:P] Post edited by the moderators. Users must not post messages which are insulting, abusive, racist, sexist, or derogatory in any way to others, whether they are individuals or companies, users of the Forum or not. This includes material sent via personal e-mails through this forum.

And the hight mare continues! The car was put in a pound with an extorionate daly rate and thee is an appointment system to get it out, nearest apiontment is Wedneday...so their bill adds up nicely. But one of the stipulations of getting the car out is to produce a valid ins docket...and so we go back to square one! if you look on the back of your green document where your window vignette comes from it actually says in English european insurance card, so I phoned the Motor ins Bureau again and was put throught to the cross boarder section, she asked me what was in box 2 box 3 etcand confirmed that the document is valid and that whoever is being awkward should phone them, Ihave told this to Outie and he said the man refused to do it, so I suggested he do it on his mobile and explain the situation then pass the phone to this guy. I have been to groupama and spoken to 2 agents to ask for an english trasnslation of my insurance and they think I am mad....it is french insurance and is written in french, I explained the principle of the green card and how we used to have to get one with a french translation for our holidays in france but "   il `nexiste pas en France ".  So does it  or not?   Next , I am not sure if I mentioned in my OP that he was supposed to be going in our Astra, but it sprung a leak in the water pump, the orriginal ferry doc were booked for the Astra. Nothing was said at the port(unfortunatly ) when he went through with the Xantia.........do the ports have video tape running and do they keep them, he has to prove how long the Xantia has been in the UK,