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  1. If you need something to cheer you up through the long , dark and cold winter to come then outie is prepared to rejoin and entertain you
  2. Is anyone traveling to Nimes airport on Friday23rd September from perpignan direction??

    Do you have room for one adult and hand luggage, or do you need a lift? share costs.

    Is anyone traveling to perpignan from Nimes airport on Friday 30th september,
  3. I was in my house , in bed at 11 oclock at night, 2 little girls sleeping in the next beedroom. I heard some banging and at first thought it was my neighbour trying to close his outside shed door. After a few momments i realised that it was someone banging at my patio doors in the kitchen down stairs at the back of the house, my heart was banging too I can tell you! I did not have a phone next to the bed , so had to go downstairs to use the hall phone, all this time this person is trying to jemmy my patio door and I was only a room away.........the police station was at the bottom of my road so hoped on a rapid response but obviously the call goes to central switch, I then ran back upstairs and got my camera, should this person enter my house i would photo him/her , sounds daft but logic at the time; I then went into the childrens bedroom and closed tthe door, this room was at the front of the house so I could see trafic coming and going, then the police were here, flashing lights and all! so the attemted burgler jumps over the back fence and is away on his toes, brilliant!

    Looking back now I should have filled a bucket with hot water from the bathroom and chucked it over him, but to be honest I was terrified, and heaven knows what i would have done to him if he had got in........nothing? or the other extreme?

    You do not know how you would react untill you are faced with the situation!
  4. Trendy trecking??  the mind boggles[:$]

    What on earth do you get upto in your place Q?[:-))]

  5. You would probably be surprised at the amount of Brits that have lived in France for more than a year and claim UK Family allowance, I am suprised why they bother as the French one beats it hands down, especially for the Rentree allowance , given that most of the claimants have children under teenage years........just under 300 euros to get your child equiped with a few pens , paper and a bag to put them in[blink] oh yes I do know of a few of them, not necessarily know them.

  6. [quote user="dandaz"]Hello

    I have a employer who has given my building work for the next three months ,he has agreed to pay me cheque emploi....

    What exactly do I have to do now?

    [ie who to inform etc][/quote]

    You had your answers on the first page of this thread. You also changed your job tittle from builder to gardener given that you were told you cannot be a builder on this scheme. You do not do anything when employed under this system, apart from provide your name, address, DOB and place of birth. Oh and declare it on your french tax return......but that is the easy bit, that will come in aready completed by the authorities[;-)]

  7. 9 months on and no social security number?

    Brit reg car and UK family allowance perhaps? [Www]

  8. Ditto. I visit perpignan on a weekly basis and am honestly struggling to think of where I have seen shops boarded up, one springs to mind near the prefecture and they had a fire last year.

  9. I have just caught up with this thread.

    I have had my French plated RHD car keyed twice , both times I know who did it!

    The first time was when i went to Leroy Merlin and reversed into a space that another `lady` driver wanted . She TOLD me to recule , that it was HER space. I didn`t and went into the store. i was only in there about 3 mins and when I returned to my car it had been keyed and a note declaring that I was a `sal Anglaise` was under my wiper blade.............stupid thing was , she had parked in the space next to me!!!!!!! I did not do anything about it but left her a polite note[:-))]

    The second time was at the time of the soldes, again I got a space that this lady claimed the car which had just left was her friend and had saved the place for her!  the woman was about 6th inline in a queue waiting for a space.  Again I noted the car , when i came back another scratch.............good job I have a can of black paint and some t cut and a hubby who doesn`t mind phaffing about to sort it out.

    I suppose I should have taken the numbers and reported it, but proving it is another story altogether isn`t it!

  10. [quote user="Russethouse"]

     I agree with Will, but I'd like to know what the Independent Police Complaints Commision made, or what was said that satisfied them.

    Derf, Do you think those cops and drivers programs are all genuine ?

    [/quote]

    Well they had 2 officers who could corroborate their lies.

  11. [quote user="Russethouse"]

     But we are 14 months down the line and the liklihood of getting this money returned doesn't seem that great.....and its quite an investment of time.

    I think it highlights a bigger issue, do we trust the police force to use their instinct , or not ? If we do we have to accept that sometimes mistakes are made.

    [/quote]

    Not just a matter of money RH, we only started to go for that a few weeks ago. it is loss of Liberty and the flaming shambles of the whole situation.

    Like Derf we exported a car in 2003 and another (the Xantia in 2004) neither seem to be recognised as exported by the system at DVLA, even though we followed the instructions given on this very website and from personal advise of a previous member who owned a Band B in Normandie with a penchant for the gee gees[:-))]

  12. QUOTED FROM ANOTHER FORUM.

    A few weeks ago details were posted of the

    impounding of my Spanish-registered vehicle by Northamptonshire Police

    on the ridiculous grounds that it had "been in the U.K. for more than

    six months in twelve without U.K. Road Tax having been paid."

    It had actually made two visits, in June/July 2008 and then in February/March 2009, a total of 67 days.

    The police had spotted it on Automatic Number Plate Recognition Cameras on June 21st 2008 and March 27th 2009.

    They therefore claimed that the car had been in the U.K. for nine

    months. It did not occur to them that the reason they had not seen it

    for nine months was because it had returned to Spain.

    Another nightmare from another foum.

    The Association of Chief Police Officers has now confirmed to the

    A.A. and to the U.K. Liberal Democrats, who took up my case, that any

    foreign vehicle, seen twice, more than six months apart, WILL be

    impounded.

    The D.V.L.A. confirm this and have refused to moderate their policy.

    They say that it is up to the driver to prove that his vehicle has

    returned to the continent - a negation of English Common Law, which

    states that you are innocent until proven guilty.

    In my case, the police officer refused to examine my documents and, quite frankly, just stole the car and tried to extort money.

    The implications are horrendous for both ex-patriates and tourists visiting the U.K. more than once in a year.

    So, please warn everyone to keep all ferry tickets, take them in the car and DEMAND that the police officer examines them.

    Finally, a message to your member, "St. Florentin," who doubted the

    veracity of the story when it was printed and stated that the police

    would show common-sense - "Start living in the 21st Century, when the

    U.K. police are more interested in milking motorists than fighting

    crime."

    UNQUOTE

  13. Yes they would have spare bulbs, but they have now been stopped  so they just decide to do a roadside check.

    Yes they probably would have other paperwork relating to where they lived...........Just as my husband did, but that was not accepted was it! I suppose you could put it down to the individual Officers discretion common sense[blink]

    I will find another true case later, which was posted on another forum and copy it.

  14. [quote user="AnOther"][quote user="opas"]They have no address to give, and their re regd car is checked off the chassis /vin no and comes up as unlicensed,[/quote]Not if they've properly exported it it won't.[;-)]

    [/quote]

     Oh yes it will, try it and see!

  15. So here is a scenario.

    Mrs and Mr average in their right hand drive car they have imported from UK, now French reg`d and their 2 kids go to the UK from France for a half term break to tour the lakes and Blackpool, but have not booked a Band B as they are not sure where they are going to visit first. They arrive in the UK on a Saturday, its October and dusk by 3pm.  They cruise up the motorway and their now French reg`d car gets stopped for having a defective light. The coppers then decide to do a full check on the car and ask for insurance documents.

    They booked their ferry online one way because they were waiting to see how the weather was and if not so good would book the tunnel for their return.  They tidy their car after a mc Do at the services and throw their spent ferry ticket away with the rubbish.They then cannot prove how long they have been in the UK . They have no address to give, and their re regd car is checked off the chassis /vin no and comes up as unlicensed,

    The asked for Ins document is in French, the Officer says he  does not understand it , says they are not insured and impounds their car and they are left at the roadside.

    If you ever watch the Traffic Cop type programmes  on TV the un insured driver just gets kicked out of his vehicle and the car seized, until of course he turns up with valid insurance and a sum of money for the seizure.

    I suppose now I am just going round in circles. I only came back on to update the situation. The facts are in the thread.

  16. [quote user="Chancer"]

    [quote user="Will"]Very true. The need for all users to sign is something that I suspect a lot of owners of French-registered vehicles are unaware of, and I certainly wouldn't expect a Manchester police constable to know about it.

    Nevertheless, if the certificate was not signed in this case, it could provide just the sort of technicality that the police could employ to justify their actions. I don't know if it was or wasn't; but I'd have thought that as a professional driver Mr O would most likely have ensured everything like that was in order.

    [/quote]

    Lets hope that they dont read this forum then!

    [/quote]

    If they don`t now, I am sure there is some miserable git on here somewhere who will contact them to read it and help them get a few more victims.

  17. [quote user="Chancer"]

    Yep.

    All coppers are *******s [6]

    Must be true my Dad used to sing it to me at bed-time.

    I dont want to trek back through the thread but I seem to recall that Mr O had to change to Mrs O's vehicle at the last minute, it is just possible that "technically" there could have been an issue with the international insurance card.

    As most (but probably not all of us are aware) the insured should this document but did you now that for the UK, Northern Island and Cyprus only you must add the signatures of all other users of the vehicle?

    I thin it is something to do with on the continent a valid vignette is sufficient to tell les flicks that the vehicle is insured no matter who is driving whereas in the UK te insurance certificate will state who is insured or say "any driver" or the driver may have his own policy stating that he is insured to drive other vehicles with the owners consent.

    I dont think the lack of a signature means that another driver is uninsured in the UK just perhaps that it makes it easier to verify at the roadside.

    My sympathies are with Mr and Mrs O, I think that they have been treated vey badly  and I hope that they do get some closure.

    I agree with Will that a traffic officer should understand an international insurance certificate, they are in a common format.

    [/quote]

    I call the xantia my car cos its the one i will take first , but technically it is Mr Os as all the paper work is in his name.

  18. [quote user="allanb"][quote user="Will"]I'd have thought that even the most rudimentary school French would enable any English police officer to see that the French insurance certificate that Mr O was carrying (and the vignette that he would have had in the windscreen) was likely to be valid.[/quote]This raises an interesting point (slightly off-topic, but not much). 

    The green card is essentially a single-language document; only its title appears in more than one language.  However, it is supposed to be valid evidence of insurance throughout the "EU plus" group of countries.  It is clearly unreasonable to expect all European policemen to understand seventeen languages (or whatever the number is), so the official expectation must be that they are trained to recognize the format - especially since not all the countries use the same alphabet.

    I don't know whether this is realistic, but is there any other explanation?

    [/quote]

    Bravo Allanb, this is exactly what I have been saying since day 1.

  19. If you look at the DVLA website concerning the use of EU registered vehicles in the UK it says

    It

    is the responsibility for the driver to prove how long the vehicle has

    been in the country. This can be done by producing ferry tickets.

    Which is why I said car/motor insurance is the only offence in the U.K. where you are guilty until proved innocent

     

    As

    the driver was unable / unwilling to show how long the vehicle had been

    / was going to be in the UK the officers would be entitled to make

    further enquiries.

    Mr O did give the police officers the insurance certificate the french

    import certificate the french log book and the ferry ticket, they were

    all in the same place in a folder in the car,and his passport which the

    officers also had was issued from Paris.

    As

    the driver was unable/unwilling to give a place of residence that would

    give reasonable grounds for detaining him whilst those enquiries were

    carried out.

    Once again the car had french plates Mr O has a french ID card which

    the officers took from him at the time of his arrest and he gave them a

    french address.

     

    There

    was no need for the officer to understand, or arrange translation the

    foreign documents. The suspicion was that the driver was a UK resident

    illegally driving a foreign registered vehicle. The inability to

    produce appropriate travel documents combined with any mention of

    working in the UK, would only heighten those suspicions.

    See above,there is no offence of illegally driving a foreign registered

    vehicle,one phone call to the MIB would tell the police if the car was

    insured or not and the police have access to the immigration records

    also.

    I'm afraid flogging a dead horse spring to mind.

    Thats for the court to say

     

    Just

    ensure that if he is still coming to the UK to work he always carries

    a dossier of evidence tickets details of employment etc and adopts an

    appropriately docile attitude.

    Sorry

    he does not do docile and does not need to do so, he only as to be

    civil. He/We always have our documents in the vehicle , as it is French

    law and is altogether in one document case.

    Don't forget details of this incident will already be on file.

    The

    Chief Constable of the GMP certainly knows about this and as does Mr m

    Meacher MP for Oldham and ACPO, Mr O has nothing to hide , he has not

    broken any laws.

     

    PS

    As far as the excessive number of police involved, if this was an

    automatic number recognition "trap" , its normal to have over a dozen

    officers on hand to process cases and/or catch anyone attempting to do

    a runner!

    No, it was the police officer who called for back up.

    PS.Mr

    O was charged with having no insurance even though the officer did not

    know if he had insurance or not. He (the officer) has admitted it as he

    could not get hold of the french insurance company to verify if Mr O

    had insurance until Monday morning but charged Mr O Saturday afternoon.

  20. Professional HGV driver , not a professional Criminal.

    HGVs are often subject to random checks.  In years past it was the police that stopped HGVs for the Ministry of Transport as they did not have the power to do so, now I believe it VOSA  who do these checks

    He has a clean record and one spent speeding offence ( 56 mph in a 50 zone........national speed limit 60) in 25 years in the same line of work, no other offences whatsoever sir.

    I too have never been in the back of a police vehicle, that said I do not drive over 40,000miles in an average year!

    Car Insurance is the only offence in the UK where you are presumed guilty , ie taking away of your car if you cannot prove it to the police there and then that you have insurance.........

  21. [quote user="Tony F Dordogne"]That's the real problem with this whole thread Ernie, it's one biased side telling a story when the other equally biased side isn't in a position to have any reply![/quote]

    You are so right there, and can we also remember here that there were 2 of them the cover up each others mistakes.

  22. [quote user="AnOther"][

    [quote user="opas"]Next step, I think is to find out why our car was not flagged on the DVLC computer as exported......[/quote]Because AFAIK DVLA do not have records of foreign number issued to exported vehicles, the status can only be determined using the original UK number. Check it yourself HERE

    I'm afraid that from my point of view at least, there are too many inconsistencies and contradictions in this whole sage to be able to make a measured judgment of what actually transpired on that day.

    e.g.

    "has told me he was kicked in the head by one of the coppers who jumped out of the 6 yes six cars that turned up!!!!"

    "My husband was then arrested by 2 police"

    "At no point was he asked when the car came into the country by the police"

    "He has been told he has to produce a copy of his travel document"

    [/quote]

    I will look at that link.

    no inconsitencies.

    he was stopped by 2 police(traffic) FACT

    6 cars did turn up when called (why? he was face down on the floor) FACT

    Never asked when the car entered the country FACT (it was myself who informed the custody seargent of this fact when I phoned the custody suite) He was not interested FACT

    Travel document was requested by the court and produced FACT

    over to you your honor[6]

  23. [quote user="AnOther"][quote user="opas"]IPCC may as well be

    part of the Police force as they have taken absolutly no notice of Mr

    Os comments but listened to everything that the two Officers have said.[/quote]And you expected something to the contrary?

    When it comes to the sworn testimony of 2 police officers versus that of an individual, whom you yourself admitted is no stranger to the back seat of a police car, who do you think is going to be believed?

    [/quote]

    Excuse me, So because someone has previously been stopped whilst driving an HGV for minor offences relating to a unit/tractor , then they are automatically guilty of accusations of car theft. Glad i was never on the roads or walking the streets when you were a beat bobby!

    Ishould be careful with your accusations.

  24. Cover up for lies ,lies and more lies on the part of the police. He was originally detained under operation Wolverline, which as previously mentioned by me was to stop cars without insurance: Well he wouldnt hve that if the car had not been shown up as exported would he:

    But if you read back to the first few posts from me wondering if my car was going to be crushed or not, he was then informed that his insurance (note, he was arrested for NOT having insurance) was invalid because he was working !!!!! What the hell has car insurance to do with working:

    Totally naffed off is an understatement in the extreme as one dept seem to be covering up for the other and the innocent citizen is made out to be guilty of everything,

    Next step for the repayment is the small claims court.........if of course that is possible against the police:

  25. A next to useless update.

    IPCC may as well be part of the Police force as they have taken absolutly no notice of Mr Os comments but listened to everything that the two Officers have said.

    It appears that one of the officers did a search on the car, which they believed to be stolen ( why ? we don`t know) except that in their letter they said that when they checked out the chassis/vin no it did not match the reg plate. Well of course it did not. It was re reg`d in France over 4 years ago and for some reason was not updated on DVLC records! even though we did everything to the letter.

    This has come about now because I insisted that Mr O put a claim in to get back the storage fees for the impound of the car.....to the tune of about 140 quid, and the police have said that money is only given back when insurance is proven to be valid!!!!!! 

    Now I am spitting as the car was got back on the same documents as it was seized with.

    The Greater Manchester police are saying that we are now at an impasse(their words::not  mine,) in other words at loggerheads;

    Next step, I think is to find out why our car was not flagged on the DVLC computer as exported....................though do excuse my ignorance that if someone is stopped driving a French plated vehicle, carrying insurance in French(the officer admitted from the start that he could not understand it as it was written in french) also holding a french driving licence ,passport and ID card;(all bearing the same address) that there could be a smidgen of truth when the guy says he lives in france

    Do let me know if I have missed something..............

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