Taxe d'Habitation on older improved properties likely to rise

[Pickles]

[quote user="Bill"]I understood from Pickles post  that  non-residents

paid 1.7 percent and residents 0.2 percent, hence the multiple actually of 7 or

8  times as much.  That may be the wrong conclusion , yet it is

how I understood his post. [/quote]

Ah, sorry about that - my mistake ... what I was waffling on about was the EXTRA TdF that you pay, not the basic TdF. The notice can be found here: (sorry, link doesn't work)

Part of the bit about reductions is here:

[quote]Abattements habitation principale

La valeur locative est diminuée d’abattements obligatoires ou facultatifs votés par la collectivité.

Abattements obligatoires

Ouvrent droit aux abattements pour charges de famille :

> vos enfants ou ceux que vous avez recueillis, à votre charge à l’impôt sur le revenu au 1er janvier, âgés de moins de 21 ans, ou de moins de 25 ans s’ils sont étudiants, ou quel que soit leur âge s’ils sont infirmes. S’ils sont mariés, ils doivent habiter avec vous. Les enfants en résidence alternée ouvrent droit à un abattement égal à 50 % de celui accordé pour les enfants en résidence unique.

> vos ascendants ou ceux de votre conjoint âgés de plus de 70 ans ou infirmes, vivant sous votre toit, si leurs revenus n’excèdent pas les limites indiquées dans le tableau (I).

Le taux est fixé par chaque collectivité entre 10 et 20 % pour chacune des deux premières personnes à charge, et entre 15 et 25 % à compter de la troisième personne à charge.

Abattements facultatifs

> abattement général à la base

> abattement spécial à la base pour personnes de condition modeste dont les revenus n’excèdent pas les limites indiquées dans le tableau (I) ;

> abattement spécial à la base en faveur des personnes handicapées ou invalides : pour en bénéficier, le contribuable doit au préalable déposer, auprès du centre des finances publiques dont il dépend, une déclaration spécifique. Cet abattement n’est soumis à aucune condition de revenus.

Le taux des abattements facultatifs est compris entre 1 et 15 %.

Les mécanismes d’ajustement des abattements institués en 2011 pour neutraliser les effets du transfert de la part départementale de taxe d’habitation au bloc communal continuent à s’appliquer en 2012[/quote]

[Bill]

Thanks pickles

reductions noted, but not for me, nor expected.. .  

 

  Basics,  the link doesn't open,  doesn't matter to much, contacted the  French tax people and they will no doubt tell us in  due course..

If i'm more or less basic, that's fine.. no arguments !

 

rgds

Bill

[EuroTrash]

As a non-resident owner occupier you might pay very slightly more taxe d'hab than a French taxpayer who gets no reductions would pay on the same house if it were his maison principale. As I understand it, some communes do not differentiate, in which case you would pay exactly the same. If it was a French person's maison secondaire they would pay exactly the same as you do and, like you, they would get no reductions. It's not an anti-Brit thing, it's just France being a socialist country.

And it's the same in the UK - no reductions on council tax for holiday homes.

[Rabbie]

IMO if you can afford a second home then you can afford to pay the relevant property taxes. While everyone has a right to a first home, a second home comes into the category of  " nice to have " rather than "must have".

[Bill]

thanks  euro trash, that's fine..

 

rgds

B

[Bill]

[quote user="Rabbie"]IMO if you can afford a second home then you can afford to pay the relevant property taxes. While everyone has a right to a first home, a second home comes into the category of  " nice to have " rather than "must have".[/quote]

 

Nice to see there are still  plenty of people who know what I can afford, and just an odd one which answered my original question..

 

[Rabbie]

[quote user="Bill"]

[quote user="Rabbie"]IMO if you can afford a second home then you can afford to pay the relevant property taxes. While everyone has a right to a first home, a second home comes into the category of  " nice to have " rather than "must have".[/quote]

 

Nice to see there are still  plenty of people who know what I can afford, and just an odd one which answered my original question..

 

[/quote]Bill, I was replying to Eurotrashes post and not to you. I would not

presume to know how much you can afford. That is obviously your

decision. It is however my opinion that property taxes are part of the

costs involved in having a second home which is nearly always a "Nice to

have" rather than a "Must have". It's up to you to decide whether you

want to have a second home but don't complain about the costs

[Bill]

Rabbie

 

I was only complaining about the cost, because at one point it was suggested the uplift for a holiday home was going to be 7 times that of a resident, and I misunderstood the  posting... since then  every man and his dog has been having a go at what I can and can't afford ... 

 

as I said earlier, I am happy to  pay more or less what everyone else pays..

 

There isn't an issue..

 

Bill  

[Pickles]

[quote user="Bill"]as I said earlier, I am happy to  pay more or less what everyone else pays.[/quote]

The operative word being "more" ...

Not a complaint, just a fact of life in France!