adodson Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Hi, has anyone on this forum recently tried to sign a PACS agreement. we found that there was an initial problem regarding the "Certificat de coutume et les pieces d'etat civil" as England does not recognise two people living together as they do in France, the British Consulate send me a letter to be given to the Magistrate to overcome this problem.However I have been told that this is insufficient and we cannot sign a PACS agreement, this is a very serious matter especially for inheritance purposes here in France.Has anyone else had any experience of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Which british consulate did you use? I would phone the Paris Consulate and explain exactly what the problem is with the letter that you have received already. We have had to request a special letter/document from the Consulate twice now, which they were quite expensive, but did the trick. Previously we had just been sent statements by the Consulate for free, but the Tribunal would not accept these.Frankly the french administration is often 'difficult'. They expect us all to have exactly the same paperwork as they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adodson Posted March 24, 2005 Author Share Posted March 24, 2005 thanks for that we wrote to the consulate in Bordeaux as we are in the Aquataine area. we will try the Paris consulate and see how we get on there. you dont happen to have their telephone number to hand do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1059132502966 It'll be on there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aly Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 My understanding is that you can only form a PACS if you are resident in France. If you live in the UK and have a holiday home in France than you cannot use PACS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 I would imagine that to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourangelle Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 This is not the case, as my brother in law is pacsed with his partner. She is Norwegian and they signed it at the French embassy in Oslo. The whole point of them doing the pacs was that they did not want to live in France. The reason why they wanted to do the Pacs was my brother in law had been a teacher in France but had since got his doctorate and had been offered a university position in Norway, but only a two year contract. By requesting a "rapprochement du conjoint" (hence the pacs) he does not lose the right to return to his position in the civil service should he need to do so. He went throught this with the French embassy. However perhaps you have to be French for this to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Tourangelle, I too think that one of the people involved would have to be french wouldn't they. I can't see the french letting holiday makers or even second home owners just do a PACS like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourangelle Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 I agree with you, it would set all sorts of difficult precedents, I expect and perhaps lead to other countries being forced by Europe to recognise it. I have never even heard of two British people living in France signing the pacs,... is there anyone out there who has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letrangere Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 I have never even heard of two British people living in France signing the pacs,... is there anyone out there who has?No - but I'm so pleased you have raised the subject, it's one I've been thinking about for some time as I'm curious too. What are the requirements in order to Pacser? Actually, I personally believe it's an excellent way of "formalising" a relationship and think it would be a good thing if more countries followed the French initiative. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 It is so easy isn't it for hetrosexuals. Marriage covers most legal matters that get important in France with regards to the 'couple', and as I have said so often on here, there is absolutely no way I would be in a long term live together relationship in France and not be married. And the PACS came out for homosexual couples really, to offer those who wished some legal formalisation to their relationships and I'm pleased that the government brought it in. That hetrosexual couples take this option, I just don't understand. There isn't the 'cover' that is included in a marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourangelle Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 I think that the Pacs is seen by some heterosexual couples as being the soft option. When you think of the expense and enormity of French weddings, it is quite daunting. If you are just after the tax breaks, then the pacs is the solution. Plus, now, you can get them from the first year as married couples do. There isn't the cover, but there aren't the responsibilities either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 lol I know about big weddings. Never had much time for them myself. That is up to the couple as to what sort of 'do' they want. No one has to have a big 'do' or spend a lot of money, well we didn't. And if not married here, well in the event of death, what a mess that would be and how costly it would be too. I am never happy with the whole 'death' situation in France, but not being married I would feel and in reality be, very vunerable and would end up being in a precarious situation due to the death taxes and lack of 'rights' for a concubine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardhat Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 We are in the process of trying to sign a PACS just going to have our birth +divorce papers translated tommorrow .Ive a feeling it could be a long job!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 There is an article in the June edition of Living France, comparing UK and France legislation for unmarried or gay couples, which might prove of interest to those considering a PACS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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