Deimos Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 [quote][quote]As one serious thought DOMY, if you do not use anti-virus software you may well never know you have malware on your PC. It might just be sending out your personal details, those of your friends...[/quote]A firewall will not stop something sending out e.g. e-mail addresses to a port that is normally used (e.g. port 80). Thus, your computer could be sending out all your friends e-mail addresses to all sorts of viagra sellers and porn sites and neither you nor your firewall would have the faintest idea.When being lazy writing communications software (i.e. not wanting users to have to open ports on their firewalls and my having to tell them how to do this), I will often use a valid recognised ports such as 80 (as used by web browsers, 23 as used by telnet, 20/21 as used by FTP, etc. If you e.g. use a web browser your firewall will almost certainly let stuff through on port 80.Also, viruses can easily send mail messages (without them appearing in “Sent Items” so, unless you notice them appearing very briefly in the Outbox for a second or so) you will never know they have been sent – and that message can contain whatever data and attachments the virus might case to send (maybe using simple encryption from a couple of lines of code) and your firewall will never bat an eyelid as it is quite happy to allow e-mails out.A firewall is completely different to malware detectors/protecting bits of software. You can have a brilliant top notch firewall and still be infected with all sorts of horrible stuff sending out all sorts of private and personal info from your computer. Even Norton Internet Security (which searches outgoing streams for specific personal info cannot detect the configured personal info over a e.g. https: link (and you can implement simple encryption to get round Norton content checking an a couple of lines of code.So all your friends who keep getting offered viagra at discount prices may have you to thatnk for passing on their e-mail addresses !!Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOMY Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 [quote]A firewall will not stop something sending out e.g. e-mail addresses to a port that is normally used (e.g. port 80). Thus, your computer could be sending out all your friends e-mail addresses to all ...[/quote]Ok ... Ok ! You seem to be " the " brilliant expert on Macintosh and on the OS X, Operating Ssytem ...I'm going to please you :- I have millions and millions of virus every day on my Mac- I have millions and millions of spywares every day on my Mac It's of course, totally wrong ... but I don't want to disappoint you !Do you feel better, now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jc Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Your English,both spelling and grammar,is better than most of the contributors to these forums(fora?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOMY Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 [quote]Your English,both spelling and grammar,is better than most of the contributors to these forums(fora?).[/quote]No ! I only remember my basics in english.My english class room are far away now ... Are you a " latin " expert ?I think so ... Only a latin expert is able to make the difference between forum and fora, erratum and errata; and so on ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 [quote]Ok ... Ok ! You seem to be " the " brilliant expert on Macintosh and on the OS X, Operating Ssytem ...I'm going to please you :- I have millions and millions of virus every day on my Mac- I have milli...[/quote]Sorry, only trying to help. Didn’t realise you had such an attitude. I’ll just shut-up. Most people here appreciate helpful comments. Its actually (to me anyway) part of what these forums are about. Clearly not the case (or not for you anyway).Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOMY Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 [quote]Sorry, only trying to help. Didn’t realise you had such an attitude. I’ll just shut-up. Most people here appreciate helpful comments. Its actually (to me anyway) part of what these forums are abou...[/quote]It's always the same story :PC and Windows users, who don't know ANYTHING about Apple Macintosh, feel frustrated because we said that we are virus and spyware free !And then ... they try to demonstrate us, that we are wrong, that we should obligatorily have virus and spywares.May be, we, ( the Mac Users ) we are blind, and unable to see virus and spywares on our computers ?????I don't know ANYTHING about Windows .... so I NEVER talk about an OS that I don't know at all !You don't know ANYTHING about MAC OS X ... so please, don't teach us, the Mac Users ... !!!! Go on a Mac Users forum, and ask them how many of them have had a virus in their life ?Go on a Mac Users forum, and ask them how many of them have had a spyware ?And ... you will get the truth, and start to cry ....Using a Mac for 12 years without anti virus, and no infection at all !How do you explain that ... except that I'M THE MORE LUCKY MAN IN THE WORLD, and GODBLESSED ? Could we have virus ???? YES WE COULD, but for the moment, and since 1984, we actually DON'T !Few hackers tried in the past( and even recently) to create some virus, but it was a failure, ( so " anecdotic " ! )" Opener " was one of these, and we all had a good laugh ... ! Our OS is not BETTER than yours, it"s just that there are less stupids guys on the Mac World than in the Windows one, and so, we are safe !I don't want to be rude : you are certainly a good advicer for Windows world , but not for the Mac World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 [quote]It's always the same story :PC and Windows users, who don't know ANYTHING about Apple Macintosh, feel frustrated because we said that we are virus and spyware free !And then ... they try to demonstrat...[/quote]DOMY, I’ve better things to do with my time that to eplain things to somebody with “the attitude” and who is totally unreceptive to helpful advice.I have been actively involved in communications software development for over 25 years, under Windoze, Unix and Mac (including OS X). I feel it totally irrelevant justifying my comments, but I am a bit familiar with Macs. We don’t all use either one or the other (some of us use more than one computer and different types as well – depends on why our customers use).As I explained in a previous quote, if you have no virus detection software you may well not be aware of having a virus (as they don’t always pop-up and tell you about their presence). However, you seem be in the “I don’t need advice” camp so stay there – I couldn’t give a f**k.Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOMY Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Yes !The sky " could " fall down on my head, so ... I " should " wear a helmet 24/24 night and day !Sorry ... I don't ! ----> Do you ? PS : I take advice every day from people who know perfectly ( and not " a bit " ) my UNIX OS ! Thanks ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jc Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Many years ago a classical scholar and good at English-like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOMY Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 [quote]Many years ago a classical scholar and good at English-like you.[/quote]JC ? It could sound french !!! Jean Claude ????Are you french ? Who are you ? Je sens comme une ... " entourloupe ", là ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevehudson Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 04 May 2004Apple accused of downplaying security holesBy Kieren McCarthy, TechworldApple has released a range of patches for security holes - both old and new - for its Mac OS X operating system, which it advises users to download immediately.The company is downplaying the issue but one security company at least is concerned that the vulnerabilities could be extremely serious. Secunia has given the five - yes, five - patches a "highly critical" rating and warned that they may allow hijacking, security bypass, data manipulation, privilege escalation, denial of service and system access.In other words, it makes Microsoft's current Sasser problems look no more than a nasty nip. The difference of course is that Windows is the vast majority of the market and Macs account for only three percent of operating systems. There isn't a worm exploiting the holes as yet but the company is strongly advising users to download and install the patches as the OS looks like an easy target at the moment.Secunia has given the series of patches a "highly critical" rating, which it explained was due to the Apple's dismissive attitude to one of the holes. Secunia described a vulnerability within AppleFileServer that allows for a buffer overflow as an attempt to "improve the handling of long passwords", but security specialists @stake warned that it could lead to the full system access.This habit of pretending a big problem is of no significance was also displayed last month, when Apple explained that it was "aware" of a Trojan horse that could be used to compromise its systems and was investigating it, but refused to say any more, commenting only that it has an excellent track record of patching holes. And another "highly critical" hole in the company's Quick Time media player just this week has also been largely ignored by Apple (publicly at least), with the company only releasing an advisory under pressure from the company that discovered the hole, eEye.All this has meant that Secunia is highly suspicious of two previously unannounced holes patched today. One exists within the CoreFoundation when handling environment variables and could allow for privilege escalation. The other is within RAdmin when handling large requests and could be a system compromise.As such, Secunia has posted a note which reads: "The severity has been set to 'highly critical' because the unspecified issues are likely to be more severe than claimed by the vendor."The other two holes are older and known. One is in Apache 2 and can be exploited by adding malicious characters into log files to cause a denial of service. The other covers two holes in IPSec that can again be used to cause a denial of service.Apple's half-hearted effort to these holes can be found here. While Secunia's full rundown on the problems can be found here.Is Apple being complacent about its security? Or have the security vendors got it wrong? Is the fact there isn't a worm an indication that this is blown out of proportion? Or is it just a matter of time? Make your opinion known on the discussion board. Holes in security! On a mac! Never, not possible, must be an error, P....lease, wise up Domi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I have to say I am quite amazed at how childish some “contributors” are to this thread. I have been attempting to provide serious comment and advice and I get back the “wear a hat 24/24 in case the sky falls on my head”. I’m actually in something of a state of shock. Disbelief. What have I done, just point out what a firewall does and does not do and comment that both Macs and PCs are vulnerable to malware. I’ve not suggested that either is better or worse than the other as they both have advantages and disadvantages.I’m sorry for whatever my sins. I have tried to make sensible contributions to a serious thread. You are not obliged to take my advice or comment but please DOMY, behave like an adult with your responses/posts. This is not personal (for me it isn’t anyway).In total disbeliefIan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOMY Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Let's do it again !COPY PASTE of my previous post :Our OS is not BETTER than yours, it"s just that there are less stupids guys on the Mac World than in the Windows one,and so, we are safe !Could we have virus ???? YES WE COULD, but for the moment, and since 1984, we actually DON'T have any !Could we have spyware ??? TES WE COULD , but in reality we don't have any !Every week or month we up date our systems ( because of holes that COULD be dangerous, IF ...)But nobody is really interested in hacking MAC OS system ... All the hackers spend their time on hacking Windows !That is the first thing who please all the switchers coming from windows :They don't spent money anymore on anti virus softwares, and they don't fear spywares anymore ...and bye bye every day paranoia !Do you know the difference between could and reality ?You could be " open minded ", but in reality ... YOU ARE NOT ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevehudson Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 "But nobody is really interested in hacking MAC OS system ... All the hackers spend their time on hacking Windows !"And that, from the keyboard of a mac user, takes me back to where I entered this debate. It's currently not worth the virus writers time and effort to try to exploit macOS vulnerabilities. But one day soon..........maybe. Get your heads out of that sand.Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 DOMY, I did comment that this is not personal so responses like “You could be " open minded ", but in reality ... YOU ARE NOT !” are really quite unnecessary. This is a friendly forum and personal comments like this when people are posting valid comment are totally unnecessary.Please try to follow the friendly and helpful spirit of this forum if you are to participate.Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 MODERATORS HAT ONI am tired, I spent all last night sorting out another thread and I don't wnt to have to spend another hour or two sorting this one.NO personal atacks or insults please and that is part of the CofC. Likewise from now on if you can't write a reply that answers the original post then please don't post in this thread.Thats all for tonight.MODERATORS HAT OFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecossais Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Hi Pinkfluff, A couple of pages back, you asked about System Restore and changing your keyboard language – I don’t think anyone has replied. System Restore - In Windows XP click on Start | Programmes | Accessories | System Tools | Windows Restore and follow the on-screen prompts. By choosing a restore point say 2 weeks ago, the PC will go back to the way it was working on that date. Any programmes installed since that day are uninstalled, but data files created during that period should be retained. If running System Restore doesn’t fix your problem, you can restore it back to the current date Keyboard language – Start | Control Panel | Regional and language options. Make sure you select English (UK) and not USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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