Gluestick Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Whether I am or am not would not alter the reality that gas appliances and other items in France have to conform to French normes.Thus sadly, I'm sorry I cannot grasp your point?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesFlamands Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Probably another Corgi registered fitter who thinks the UK rules apply here. I know of two French plumbers who've served time due to negligence (and not having the proper insurance)There are a lot of gas related accidents in France and the authorities are very hard on anyone breaking the rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 [quote user="The engineer formally known as Charlie"]I may be missing something here but would you buy a gas appliance in France and then ship it back to the UK? [/quote]Actually yes, if it was significantly cheaper or better, but i suspect that I am in a majority of one!There is always one[6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jondeau Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 The point is that you appear to have no knowledge of gas regulations other than hearsay and rumour and yet you blithely tell someone that their gas appliance is no good.All gas appliances constructed for use in the UK are subject to rigourous control and testing and are built to internationally agreed standards. I can see no reason why a UK cooker would not be acceptable in France.No I am not a Corgi registered fitter, but I am an apprentice trained gas fitter (retd.) with over forty years experience in this fieldPerhaps you would be so good as to point out which specific regulation the cooker would contravene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesFlamands Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 I have been a registered PGP although I've let it expire now.The only rule that a UK appliance is breaking is that it doesn't have NF or CE(F) certification and therefore no label and therefore it is illegal to install it. If it is a new tank and a CofC is required to get the tank filled the first time, when the Qualigaz expert comes to if he sees an appliance without the correct certification he will fail the whole installation.No hearsay - just fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 [quote user="jondeau"]The point is that you appear to have no knowledge of gas regulations other than hearsay and rumour and yet you blithely tell someone that their gas appliance is no good.[/quote]No one actually suggested that "Their gas appliance is no good".What was stated - since it just happens to be a matter of fact, rather than anecodotal Chinese Whispers - is that UK gas appliances are not going to enjoy French type approval.[quote]All gas appliances constructed for use in the UK are subject to rigourous control and testing and are built to internationally agreed standards. I can see no reason why a UK cooker would not be acceptable in France.[/quote]As has already been suggested, since most forms of engineering, these days tend to be common, throughout most developed nation states.[quote]I can see no reason why a UK cooker would not be acceptable in France.[/quote]Simply because it is not type-approved in France!Is any other "Reason" really necessary?All end-user terminal equipment (and much of the earlier infrastructure) has to be type-approved for connection to all sorts of supply networks: telephone and other terminal equipment being connected to state's PSTNs. Electrical equipment.And so on.End of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonzjob Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 If you want yet another example then you can buy an alarm for your pool here or pay 50% less and get the very same one from the USofA. The difference is that the one from the USA does not have the French stamp on it and it is NOT legal here!There is no difference in the quality or anything and as has been said "when in Rome",,,, wear a toga peut etra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Plombier Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 I get fed up with thisI am Qualigaz registered currentlyIt is not illegal to install an appliance that does not have the NF mark, I did not say this in my previous postingIt is easier because it is ready proof of complianceIf there is no NF mark then you have to trace the origin, appliance type, safety equipment by interpretation of the CC mark which is evident on every gas appliance to prove compliance or not as the case may beI have installed UK appliances without the NF mark and had them passed by Qualigaz auditIf you want to spend 30euros you can buy an illustrated version of the gas regulations appertaining to houses, if you read and translate that you will be able to answer all your questions. You can obtain this publication from Cegibat, if you do good luck with understaning itGas is a serious subject, illustrated by the posting that reflects criminal proceedingsUse a professional for installation and only provide advice on this subject if you are qualified to do soFor an identical appliance installed in two different locations an entirley different solution may be applicablePosting about what happened with your installation may well not apply to someone elseLe Plombier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TefkaC Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Well put Le P Chas..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesFlamands Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 My own experience is that Qualigaz have never been prepared to 'pass' any appliance without the appropriate labelling and they've always told me that it is not possible. At one time it cost Aga/Rayburn significant money to get the appropriate approval on (I was told) each appliance imported and there were actually minor differences between the UK spec. and the French spec.. I appreciate that this may be different for a conventional gas cooker. I assume these products where available from a French based supplier (such as Domestics in Bordeaux) have the necessary certification and labelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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