woolybanana Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Can any kind soul please tell me whether it is OK to run a TV aerial cable alongside electric cables svp?And, is it possible to plumb a handbasin into the toilet exit pipe, by, say, using a double U bend?Thank you in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebiga Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 1. If it is a good TV cable then it should make no difference running it next to the electric ones, Its something you should avoid if possible because of the chance of interference. But good top grade cable should be fine.2. I have a hand basin that plumbs onto a u bend and exits directly into the outflow pipe of the toilet with no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Thank you, Thebiga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericd Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Same answer here. The cables will be fine and I have seen that exact same sink in toilet waste arrangement before (make sure you don't forget the U bend!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger LX Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 No huge issue with the cable thing, but for the sake of clarity you cannot have mains voltage wiring & low voltage TV/phones sharing the same conduit.I know it's not what you are asking but communications cabling (i.e. phones/Cat 5/6 etc.) have to be at certain minimum distances apart (depending on screening type) on parallel runs over 35m, but then the separation is not required for the entire length.Plumbing: you can get toilet exit spigots that already have small waste bosses moulded into them for exactly the purpose you are asking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 Thank you badger, most kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just john Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 [quote user="woolybanana"] plumb a handbasin into the toilet exit pipe, by, say, using a double U bend [/quote]The following are pics from the english Toolstation catalogue which would be the wrong size for french pipework but if you look at these you might find a French equivalent and save space with either a pedestal trap 30284, a bottle trap 20705 or even an extra flat sink bottle trap 87482 . peut etre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 [quote user="Badger LX"]No huge issue with the cable thing, but for the sake of clarity you cannot have mains voltage wiring & low voltage TV/phones sharing the same conduit.I know it's not what you are asking but communications cabling (i.e. phones/Cat 5/6 etc.) have to be at certain minimum distances apart (depending on screening type) on parallel runs over 35m, but then the separation is not required for the entire length.[/quote]Sorry but that's not strictly true. You can buy bundled Cat5e cables that contain data, phone, satellite, terrestrial TV and others. Below is a picture of one such combination cable sold by Belden Cables which contains the following.:Two high-quality quad shield RG6U 75 ohm coaxial cables. Two high-quality Category 5e rated 4-pair telephone/network unshielded twisted pair (UTP) cables. Two 62.5/125 micron multimode glass fiber optic cables. It's sold on 500ft drums.[IMG]http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q99/ckenway/combo6.gif[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I've got CAT5 in the same gaine as 240v power and no interference problems at all. Is it to regs, no.Do I care, no.My house and I'll decide what to do with it [:P] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger LX Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 [quote user="Quillan"][quote user="Badger LX"]No huge issue with the cable thing, but for the sake of clarity you cannot have mains voltage wiring & low voltage TV/phones sharing the same conduit.I know it's not what you are asking but communications cabling (i.e. phones/Cat 5/6 etc.) have to be at certain minimum distances apart (depending on screening type) on parallel runs over 35m, but then the separation is not required for the entire length.[/quote]Sorry but that's not strictly true. You can buy bundled Cat5e cables that contain data, phone, satellite, terrestrial TV and others. Below is a picture of one such combination cable sold by Belden Cables which contains the following.:Two high-quality quad shield RG6U 75 ohm coaxial cables. Two high-quality Category 5e rated 4-pair telephone/network unshielded twisted pair (UTP) cables. Two 62.5/125 micron multimode glass fiber optic cables. It's sold on 500ft drums.[/quote]Sorry, I wasn't clear - the separation I'm talking about is for comms from mains, not comms from comms.Nice cable by the way - do they do it with FTP (or better) cables in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger LX Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 [quote user="AnOther"]I've got CAT5 in the same gaine as 240v power and no interference problems at all. Is it to regs, no.Do I care, no.My house and I'll decide what to do with it [:P][/quote]There's no polite answer to that. I won't be looking to buy your house anytime soon though......[8-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 That's OK as I'm not planning to be selling it but if I were, and it proved necessary, removing the CAT5 would take 5 minutes [;-)]As a matter of interest though, possible interference apart, what exactly is the supposed problem with this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 You probably won't notice it in your house unless you have other equipment (other than adsl) connected to your network. The 'interference' does not normally stop it from working but it slows the data transfer rate down, not by direct speed but by retries. Each packet of data has a checksum and if when it arrives it's wrong it asks for the packet to be re-transmitted so not only does the device have to wait to get a complete packet but there are more packets running round the network than normal so the network slows and clogs more. If your using it just for adsl and one or two PC's you won't really notice this unless the interference is really bad. The main reason for this is because if your adsl is running a 8mb and your network is running at 100mb then its only supporting 0.8% of the possible speed. I am giving this to you in layman terms, no long names or long technical descriptions. When I used to teach about networks I used to take a model train set with me to show how things work and how the data gets to were its going etc, makes it look really simple.I think the main problem is that France has put it's own variation of Cat5 forward for domestic use and apart from the cable and how the connectors are wired does not really followed approved Cat5 installation procedures. Another example is how they create their patching system, not exactly Cat5 but then I suppose they don't 'sell' it as a Cat5 system they simply use some of the Cat5 components. They don't stick to the Cat5 cable lengths either or tell you how to use a repeater, for example there are parts of my house you could not get to if you wired it properly in Cat5 because of distance. I guess what I am getting at is being approved to install the French system which basically means you know how to make ends off and a few other bits and bobs is a lot different to how you would get approved to installing commercial systems and there is a lot more involved.So if you get speed issues then you know what the problem is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 [quote user="Badger LX"][quote user="Quillan"][quote user="Badger LX"]No huge issue with the cable thing, but for the sake of clarity you cannot have mains voltage wiring & low voltage TV/phones sharing the same conduit.I know it's not what you are asking but communications cabling (i.e. phones/Cat 5/6 etc.) have to be at certain minimum distances apart (depending on screening type) on parallel runs over 35m, but then the separation is not required for the entire length.[/quote]Sorry but that's not strictly true. You can buy bundled Cat5e cables that contain data, phone, satellite, terrestrial TV and others. Below is a picture of one such combination cable sold by Belden Cables which contains the following.:Two high-quality quad shield RG6U 75 ohm coaxial cables. Two high-quality Category 5e rated 4-pair telephone/network unshielded twisted pair (UTP) cables. Two 62.5/125 micron multimode glass fiber optic cables. It's sold on 500ft drums.[/quote]Sorry, I wasn't clear - the separation I'm talking about is for comms from mains, not comms from comms.Nice cable by the way - do they do it with FTP (or better) cables in it?[/quote]They do over a 1,000 different combinations and bundles of Cat5e and Cat6 cables, look up Belden (who in my experience commercially make the best cable) on the Internet and get a catalog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 If that was aimed at me Q then you know you are teaching grandma to suck eggs [:D][:D][:D]My question was to elicit from Badger LX (or anyone for that matter) what was he considered could be so wrong with it apart from the potential interference issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Because its naughty, you have not obeyed the normes, typical of a foreigner! I am going to tell Madame about you and if I were older I would denounce you.Only ever employ a French tradesman and then you can be sure that they will obey everything that they have been told, that doesnt include anything by you the customer of course [:P]And now for te serious answer, the Cat5 cable will not have the same insulation resistance as the mains cable, this is the reason for the Norme and there is the same requirement in the UK, someone like the girl on Arte might decie she wants her table lamp wher you computer is [I]I have in the past found a vehicle barrier which recieved its 240v supply via a telephone cable [:-))] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Guerriere Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I have in the past found a vehicle barrier which recieved its 240v supply via a telephone cable [:-))]It probably provided a useful de-icing facility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 The entire upstairs electrical wiring of my previous house consisted of bell wire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Hey if this is going to become a pi55ing competition I shall remise à jour my photobucket account and post the link again to the soi diant tableau that still serves my house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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