tigerfeet

Does anyone know how much private health care costs in Spain , just thought it might be a useful guide as to how much to budget for .

[quote user="Deimos"]I just had another look at 2004/38/EC and there is a publicity section; Article 34: Member States shall disseminate information concerning the rights and obligations of Union citizens and their family members on the subjects covered by this Directive, particularly by means of awareness-raising campaigns conducted through national and local media and other means of communication. No way have they done this.  With the rules becoming effective 10 days after they were announced on http://www.securite-sociale.fr/comprendre/europe/europe/cmu_inactifs.htm there was no time.  also, given that they have full contact information for everybody affected by these changes they have the easy option to write to everybody - which they have not done. Ian [/quote] I am thinking of using this as a complaint to the EU , can anyone confirm that France has not made this public knowledge through the French media ?

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[quote user="Deimos"]I just had another look at 2004/38/EC and there is a publicity section; Article 34: Member States shall disseminate information concerning the rights and obligations of Union citizens and their family members on the subjects covered by this Directive, particularly by means of awareness-raising campaigns conducted through national and local media and other means of communication. No way have they done this.  With the rules becoming effective 10 days after they were announced on http://www.securite-sociale.fr/comprendre/europe/europe/cmu_inactifs.htm there was no time.  also, given that they have full contact information for everybody affected by these changes they have the easy option to write to everybody - which they have not done. Ian [/quote] well spotted Deimos , I have been thinking this for a long time , how can they bring in changes and not let people know in advance.

[quote user="Russethouse"]I wonder if the French idea of retrospective is the same as the British?[/quote] Slightly off thread , did anyone see roger cook last night , he followed up the case in Spain where criminals were staying there without being extradited , when the UK  and Spain finally got an extradition agreement it was not applied retrospectively , so the cons who were there already were allowed to stay. Not saying we are `cons` but if we are in the French health system we should be allowed to stay in , I can dream.  [;-)]

Just got my copy of connexion today and as milky bar says it does confirm the five year rule , and quotes a lady called Stephanie Gaillard as a French government spokesman. I would try and scan it but is that allowed on this site ? copy right and all that

I went down the gym last night , they have a new machine but I could only stay on it half an hour , started feeling sick                               it has all my favorites kit i kat , mars bar , milky way .........[;-)]            

who is peter owen ?

Went to a local `tresor public` today and they said the bill had been sent to my last address in the UK ..... thanks to those who mentioned this happens. Paid both today , tax fonciere had gone down 323e was 425e last year (previous owner paid part last year) , tax habitation 185e. Not bad 508e total , £350 compared with £1,400 council tax in the UK , the difference can go towards private health care , maybe I can stay here [;-)]

some interseting comments appearing http://blogs.fco.gov.uk/blogs/jim_murphy/archive/2007/10/11/14037.aspx#comments

does a form need to be filled in to start getting these bills ? moved to france in 2006 , filled in income tax forms this year and have had contributions sociales bill . thanks

[quote user="Maricopa"]tigerfeet, you are confusing the CPAM with the CMU.  The CPAM is your regional organisation that PROVIDES your healthcare and who issue your CV.  The CMU is a way of PAYING for this healthcare when you have no other way of being affiliated to the CPAM, ie by an E106 for example.  So when your E106 runs out, you won't be entitled to CMU under the new rules, so therefore, unless you can find another way of being affiliated to the CPAM (by working for example), then you will have to have private medical insurance.[:(] Hope this removes any lingering doubt? [/quote] thanks Maricopa , yes I did think CPU  and CPAM  where the same , doh

[quote user="Maricopa"]  Unfortunately tigerfeet, that only applies to those already covered by CMU  "Inactive people already benefiting from the CMU under the previous rules are being given 6 months to take out private insurance. During this period they will continue to be covered by the CMU." As soon as your documents become invalid (ie when your E106 expires in January 2008), you will then (currently) have to have alternative arrangements in place[:@].[/quote] been thinking about this , the way I read it I have my CV and have been recieving refunds for my doctors visits so does that mean I am in CMU ? so therefore will I be covered untill 31/3/08 ? All inactive EU citizens already accessing CMU healthcare coverage will continue to do so until 31 March 2008 after which they will be required to have their own personal medical insurance, unless their inactive status changes in the meantime. http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1165343995323#health

they need to update their website ,it still has this advice In France, it is normally possible for people living there without any other form of sickness insurance cover to join the Couverture Maladie Universelle (CMU) scheme. This is a low cost contribution-based health insurance scheme. They will need to make enquiries about this with the French Embassy or at the local sickness insurance office - Caisse Primaire d'Assurance-Maladie (CPAM) - in France, when they move there. http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1113059900934

Maricopa , if I have it wrong , it just means I will be back in the UK 3 months sooner , no worries. [:)] But aren't the French leaving it late to tell people like me , I m sure lots of e106 expire in jan 08 ,and I have had nothing official yet .

I assumed I was covered under item 3 in this http://www.ambafrance-uk.org/Medical-cover-for-inactive-UK.html

here is the question I sent ,and their reply I retired early to france in 2006 , I joined the french health system with my e106 which runs out in jan 2008. the french government have announced british citizens can no longer stay in their health system and have allowed 6 months from 1st oct which will give us cover untill the end of march 2008 , we are then expected to get private health cover , but will not be able to get it because I have existing heart condition . I expect to have to return to the uk to get back into nhs cover. Reply  The situation is known in Brussels and is currently subject to discussions between the EU authorities and the French ones. Would you have any problems in the meantime, we invite you to submit your case to the Mediateur de la République (http://www.mediateur-republique.fr/) to avoid any urgent health problem you may encounter to not be covered by  the French health system. The advice given by the Signpost Service legal experts is independent advice and shall not be considered to be the opinion of the European Commission. As such it will not in anyway bind the Commission  

http://ec.europa.eu/citizensrights/front_end/index_en.htm

sorry if this has been asked before, can not find it does running a registered gite business count ? for part time working ,what is the 60 hours , a year or a month ? thanks

Thanks to Lebois for this petition re healthcare .   http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/healthinFrance/

why is it only the ex high commissioner is the only one to have had a letter ? will we have six months from the date they get around to letting us know officially by letter ?

re the suggested possible cover for people with a chronic illness, is the cover for all the family or just the one with the illness ? for early retires e106 run out.

My plan is to return to the uk stay at mums , get back into nhs system and return to my home in france as often as possible, until old enough to get e121. Details early 50,s e106 runs out jan 2008 , existing medical problem so do not expect to be able to get private cover, So whats your plan ? , whats wrong with mine ?