Thank you for your comments 'i was worried they might not stay in new area but after your expereances think they may .I will not get them near a cage after the vet fiasco 'so have devised a box which fits in back of the car and will get them used to being fed in there and then drop the front grill down 'may take 2 trips if i am lucky ??.or you may see a woman in a car with demented cats wizzing round her !!