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[quote user="alittlebitfrench"]I predicted Brexit. I predicted Trump. I predict Marine Le pen will be next in France. I predict also that the EU will collapse. I should have done a sweepstake. People wine on about Brexit but the sentiment is the same worldwide. People want change and not be ruled by an elite establishment.[/quote] I concur. Interestingly, I earlier picked up on a US pro-Trump web mag, Marine is the first foreign politician to congratulate Trump. [quote] 1:38 AM — Marine Le Pen of France’s Front National congratulates Trump.     Félicitations au nouveau président des Etats-Unis Donald Trump et au peuple américain, libre ! MLP     — Marine Le Pen (@MLP_officiel) November 9, 2016 [/quote] The doom and gloom projecting from the Lefty-Liberals is typical. No, the World hasn't stopped. Trump offers an excellent chance now, at last, that the political hegemony of US politicians and big business, banking and oil and gas will be reigned in: about time. Global markets and the US dollar dived: why? Since speculators realise only too well that the incestuous relationship between Wall Street and US Government will, to some degree, cease.

[quote user="Neil"]Hi again - thanks once again for staying with this. I understand the logic and will re-test and provide feedback tomorrow. Nothing can go wrong, right? Neil[/quote] If all is as described, Neil, then no. After all, what you are doing is to provide, via the programmer, a live feed to the jolly old brûleur: which is thereby enabled and should fire up. Thereafter, the wireless thermostat will provide its own intervention, remotely and cause the live programmer feed to turn on and off on demand.

Sturgeon has always reminded me of a truculent Glaswegian Gorbals thug; ever ready to provide her opponents with a Glasgie Kiss! (Head butt). Clearly, Scotland voted leave; just she cannot accept this and has already stated unequivocally, SNP MPs will vote against Brexit. And there lies the core problem with the state of UK political "Democracy": politicians playing Party politics, rather than trying their best to represent the people.

Neil: a couple ( I think? Been long day and I now rather braindead). 1.    You tested the programmer by assessing terminals 2 and 4 to Earth? Why not Neutral? It is normal to check voltage between Phase (Live) and Return (Neutral). 2.    What is the reverse position, please? i.e. potential voltage between Neutral and Terminals 2 and 4 in the "Off" condition? Conclusion: All provided terminal 4 (Marked on legend CH ON) is dead when the programmer is OFF, then all you need to do is to connect the old return wire from the L&G Thermostat (Brown to the brûleur) to terminal 4 and the boiler should fire up. Logic: the Blue Wire feeds the live connection to the old Thermostat. The 'Stat acts as a switch, and powers up the jolly old brûleur, which is then enabled. All that has happened is the previous switching arrangement (mechanical) is now managed by the programmer, electronically and probably by micro-relays; (That said they might well be switched by power transistors and/or thyristors. Dunno; would have to examine the pcb.). Wiring: personally, I would wish to tidy this up, PDQ! All feeds in surface mounted conduit. and connect those two pesky sockets elsewhere!

I'm with Chance on this, adding a Tableau de Chantiere, or small tableau is simply another sub-system. Caveat: all provided your "Heavy Three Core" cable enjoys an earth feed which is sufficiently large to accord to the normes. The size of which at present, I simply cannot recall! It's been a heavy ol' day! [8-)]

[quote user="Neil"]Hi again Gluestick Well, I'm not sure if you'll see these pictures - the forum technical support for Photobucket may be a bit out of step with its current manifestation, but here goes: [IMG]http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/_NeilMiller/Central%20Heating/CH20As20Was_zpsv2osnm22.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/_NeilMiller/Central%20Heating/CH20Current_zpsmet2y7qa.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/_NeilMiller/Central%20Heating/CH20Boiler20and20Stat_zpskhrluy26.jpg[/IMG] You'll see that the original wiring, in terms of colour coding, is a bit of a B##g$s Muddle. I understand this may be "normal" but always a question as to whether to carry on with the convention in use or try and sort it out............ Anyway, by the time the cable from the L&G thermostat reaches the boiler there's a brown and blue in the 2-core cable (it changes colours along the way, of course). The blue thermostat wire is live. Moving on to the new programmer, when CH is on terminal 4 of the programmer is live. When CH is off, terminal 2 of the programmer is live. This is as measured across the terminals and earth. I did not complete the last step in your previous post, i.e. connecting the return (non-live) wire (now understood to be the brown) to terminal 4 (now understood to be live when CH is on). I do not understand what to to do with the remaining thermostat (blue) wire - just terminate it? Regards........Neil[/quote] Neil: everyone ought now to be able to see the schematics. I will revert shortly, as I would like again, to look carefully at the Drayton schematic. Yes it is a crow's nest... [+o(]

What I much like with the new one I have targeted, is it has a dedicated sausage stuffing blade, which clearly facilitates the transit of the already ground mix into the skin. Whereas with most of the lower end jobbies, one simply uses the larger grinder blade: therein lies one of the main problems. Of course, one can take this to excess and allow it to become a fetish..... See here: See here:  No wonder Americans are so damned obese...

[quote user="nomoss"] But not on UK passports, which is what you originally implied. [/quote] Not me fine, Sir... If you look back then you will see the government site I quoted clearly states "Certain biometric information". However, sadly, this is prototypical of buzzwords: employed within incorrect contextual reference. That said, one definition of the word "Biometric" clearly suggests that it means Biological Measurement". Since the current Euro-Passport does use holographic imaging, this does contain reference data for identification: e.g. eye spacing; space between forehead and chin etc. Personally, I think of the word in the BioTech context: viz, the admixture of technology with human biology. Which thus far, as Government's plans to roll-out full biometric (Biotech) passports were cancelled on civil rights and cost terms of reference.

[quote user="andyh4"] So now for all of the conspiracy theorists, here is the interesting question. While they are scanning the chip to access your biometric data, what data are they downloading onto the chip? Big Brother may indeed be watching.[/quote] Indeed, Andy. And it was this potential for constantly tracking individuals 24/7, which raised hackles in both the tech industry and the various civil liberty organisations. We know already, retailers using RFID product tags are aligning the data into the consumer's profile, for marketing purposes. The problems arise when government covertly track our every move; and reach erroneous conclusions...

Same with us at  the last attempt when we were endeavouring to make our third batch: more sausage meat than before... The wretched new toy failed; dismally, as the plastic gears were slipping. Therefore, I gather together various funnel shaped implements and finished up stuffing the casings with a plastic sausage stuffing end from the new machine and a large wooden lemon juicer. Took hours and was not a happy bunny... [:@]

"Examples of physiological characteristics used for biometric authentication include fingerprints; DNA; face, hand, retina or ear features; and odor. Behavioral characteristics are related to the pattern of the behavior of a person, such as typing rhythm, gait, gestures and voice. Certain biometric identifiers, such as monitoring keystrokes or gait in real time, can be used to provide continuous authentication instead of a single one-off authentication check. Other areas that are being explored in the quest to improve biometric authentication include brainwave signals, electronic tattoos, and a password pill that contains a microchip powered by the acid present in the stomach. Once swallowed, it creates a unique ID radio signal that can be sensed from outside the skin, turning the entire body into a password." Source:

[quote user="idun"]We have two, an old fashioned hand turned one with different size blades bought from a quincaillierie in France, and attaches to the end of the table. The other is an electric Kenwood mincer, rather than an attachment. Both work perfectly well, depends on the quantities we are working with. [/quote] Meant to and forgot to ask, Idun. How do you actually "stuff" the casings?

[quote user="Neil"]Hi again - thank you for your perseverance. Under the current setup, the pump runs continuously, whether the boiler is on or off. I agree with the KISS principle, so had not considered trying to switch the pump off via the thermostat. From what I've read, and you have seen that I'm no expert, there is some benefit in continuing to circulate the water through the rads even though the thermostat is no longer calling for heat - at least the residual warmth of the circulating water is being put to use. [/quote] All provided the rads are connected correctly with a feed and return circuit (Some early systems simply fed the rads in series via one circuit only! [:-))] ), then as the rads are fed via "risers" to each rad, then a natural Thermo-Syphon should continue to circulate hotter water warmed by the boiler casing. You can try both. When it is all working correctly, I will explain - remind me if I forget! - how to "Balance" each rad in order to achieve optimal heating. [quote]I'll supply a wiring schematic tomorrow and will also try what you suggest.[/quote] Very good and essential in this case! [quote]Don't worry, I'm very careful with any voltage above 1.5[/quote] Sounds like an old close chum of mine; he was so scared of electricity, he even used to wear rubber gloves to change his torch batteries! [:D]

[quote user="Neil"]  The existing system requires two mains connections: one for the boiler and one for the circulator/pump. This was supplied via a switched unit providing fused outlets to the boiler and pump that I've replaced with a switched unit providing three fused outlets to the boiler, pump and the new programmer.[/quote] You should switch both the boiler and the pump from the new programmer, I believe. Since there is little point in turning off the boiler and leaving the pump running. Usually, the thermostat feeds both. Are you saying the thermostat only switches the boiler, originally? A rough schematic circuit of the original installation would be most helpful: first thing I do, before changing anything! And mark each and every wire... [quote]There is currently a two-core wire that runs from the boiler to the Landis and Gyr thermostat - this is the old, brown type square unit with a dial that goes on the wall and which "clicks" when you turn it up to get the central heating to come on by raising the desired temperature. From the boiler wiring diagram I think I'm correct in determining that this current thermostat is "driven" by a mains feed from the boiler.[/quote] Doesn't need "Driving", Neil: it a simple mechanical thermostat which acts as a switch, normally enabling a phase (live) feed to the boiler. The click is when the micro-switch turns off or on. Those older mechanical thermostats relied upon a Bi-Metal strip which bent according to ambient temperature changes: cold, moves one way to enable the micro-switch; warm, bends the other way, simple as that. [quote]My understanding is that a thermostat is basically just a switch.[/quote] Sort of; these days a thermostat is based on a Thermistor, usually: these come in two flavours: PTC and NPC. Which means Positive Temperature Coefficient and reverse. Since they are a sold state device, then they require some logic circuitry to function; usually TTL = Transistor -Transistor Logic. Also depends on whether, finally, they are intended to switch resistive or inductive loads. Confusing, huh? What I would do, is rather simple; I adore simple! Step One: check to see which of the old thermostat wires is live. Step Two: The new programmer no doubt has one of those nasty plug in bases, where the wiring goes to the base and the programmer sort of plugs in. Run wires from terminals 2 and 4 into a n insulated terminal block. The bigger the block the better. If mains is on and you have already connected to the N and L terminals, then the programmer should function. Select CH on. Then with a neon screwdriver or circuit tester, check to see which of 2 and 4 is live. Tgen select CH Off and ensure the terminal (2 or 4) is dead. Connect the RETURN wire from the old 'stat (i.e. the Non-Live Wire) to the terminal (2 or 4) which becomes live when the programmer has been set to CH On. (P.S. I am looking at the wiring diagram schematic of your unit as I write this). Caution! Take great personal care when dealing with live mains electricity!!

Welcome to the forum, Neil. Quite some time since I played in this bit of the sandbox! [:)] I must confess to some confusion, here. You wish to fit two modules: first, a new programmer, with wireless communication to a new matching wireless thermostat? Is this correct? Therefore, your first step is to work out a suitable connection to enable (switch on and off) the boiler. Now, since it is an oil burner (Chaudiere de fioul), then it has, usually, a separate brûleur, which usually sticks out in the front. Have a look here: The large red bit with the black end casing is it. This pumps in the oil, sprays it through an atomising jet and ignites the mixture. Thus if your new programmer interrupts the mains supply (usually Phase - Live -) to the brûleur then it is either On or Off. Does your system have a pump? Does it also heat Domestic Hot Water (DHW)? Most older systems didn't, as most French householders, us included, rely on a Ballon(Mains pressure insulated electric water heater operating. on cheap (night) rate. How was the boiler (Chaudiere) wired in previously? Was there any form of programmer or time switch? Often all that was employed was a simple mains On/Off switch! Finally, if this is an old system, then I would recommend you arrange for a Chauffagist (Boiler technician) to visit; clean it out and re-set the inlet pressure. Usually should not be too expensive; your oil supplier can usually recommend one. You should then find a marked increase in heat output.

Returning to the beginning, this has now become even more complicated and vituperative. A Belfast Court has stated, the High Court's ruling is wrong. Here: A bit complicated and the reason for bringing the case ostensibly nought to do with Article 50, at first glance but all becomes clear after a bit. Theresa May undoubtedly picked up a Poisoned Chalice, when she threw her hat in the ring and became PM. Why? Well, since Dodgy Dave and all is Project Fear chums, were clearly convinced the British elector would, by majority, vote to stay in. Accordingly, the Government and more critically, senior civil servants, and Bank of England made NO plans for an exit! Carney particularly, since he was a cheerleader for remain and acting in Goldman Sach's best interests......... May must now finalise and crystallize her Government's own plans: an elongated process. The Supreme Court will usually go along with an inferior court's interpretation of the body of law and concur. Particularly since there would seem no "error in interpretation of law". the only real reason for the Supreme Court to reverse the decision. After all, the referendum was not organised in such a manner as to be irrevocable and binding upon government; the act of state failed to say this; thus the whole process was simply advisory. And, therefore, pretty much a waste of time and public monies. When this becomes a matter for the lower and upper houses, to explore and demand release of the full details and minutia, then this even further weakens May's hand. Why? Since it is a long accepted fulcrum of strategic negotiation, one goes into any contentious meeting, asking for far more than one wants; and eventually, ostensibly agrees certain demands (which one didn't want) and finally agrees very much on what one set out, originally, as the core aspects of the deal. Now, the EU Council, will know, in advance, the whole planned "ask" and have the benefit of time to mount defences and their own protective strategy. "Another fine mess you've gotten me into!"  Springs to mind... [Www]

The same in our small canton town, Lindal; as I'm sure Pierre would confirm. So I am told and I believe it, before there were ubiquitous cars in the dark Winter evenings, the only err, entertainment for the peasant farmworkers was incest... [Www] And it shows with the typical results of mental illness, moon faces, very poor eyesight and all the normal manifestations of genetic impairment.

[quote user="andyh4"]. GS I understood that a biometric passport contained a lot of details that can be scanned electronically.[/quote] Afraid that's is not correct, Andy. With any biometric ID document, card etc, it is the person  who must be checked. And then the biometric data compared. For example, fingerprints scanned, physically, in real time. Iris scanned, again, in real time. Sweat glands galvanised (small electric current) and then again sampled. Think, as a lesser example, ANPR systems, such as the police authority uses and indeed, even Dartford Crossing: the process takes a digital picture of the index plate; then it resolves it into readable data using Optical Character Recognition (OCR); then feeds this into the DVLA's database which sorts through for a match. Eurotunnel employ ANPR systems also. Which is how often (not always!) one's booking details pop up almost immediately without the traveller's intervention. [quote] This is more than just taking an electronic picture of the page. ........ Non-biometric passports can just be scanned to give a digital photographic copy.[/quote] As I explained previously, passport scanners do not simply take "And electronic picture" of the page; they are multi-function. Firstly, the user's photographic image is an hologram; and can be viewed from various angles. Try this to see; additionally, various obvious and hidden codes are scanned too. Also: " An RFID chip and antenna are located on the obverse of the data page and hold the same visual information as is printed, including a digital copy of the photograph with biometric information for use with facial recognition systems. " See here: (Scroll down to European Format Passports). The USA is already using biometrics to some degree. See Here:

Over many years, I have had the pleasure of meeting a number of obviously integrated people in Europe: the charming and most efficient waitress in a Luxembourg hotel, who clearly spoke fluent French. The Fish Department manager at the huge Auchan in Perpignon; lovely man and knew his business. Both Africans. etc... However, sadly France now suffers from descendants of earlier immigrants from those North African workers encouraged to work on the massive electricity roll-out and the equally large expansion of SNCF; turning large areas of industrial towns such as Toulouse, into ghetto areas. Plus, of course, the influx of newer migrants during the course of the past fifteen years; the problems in the Banlieues are well known, well reported and continuous. An excellent example of how not to do things, unfortunately, is Britain: by offering immigrants official forms and translation services in umpteen languages and dialects, newcomers have had no inducement to learn English; nor to learn British cultural mores. The net result has been ghettos; and, a sort of reverse apartheid. Interestingly, a report has recently been published by Open Democracy and the authors are portrayed as "Integration Experts": yet, their own report shows how integration just hasn't happened: read more here: I have always accepted, I must read French in order to fill-out government forms; and etc. I also much respect French culture and protocols and etiquette; much like it, too. As even French friends have told me, moving to small villages in rural areas, it takes twenty years, often, before even they are accepted!

[quote user="andyh4"]GS wrote: Which, since they clock one's passport/s on their screen each and every time (watched them do this and scan the thing) why bother with the APN? Well just off the top of me head, and bouncing a few random ideas around and seeing what comes up to the surface: Just possibly because not everyone entering and leaving the UK has a UK biometric passport, or indeed any biometric passport, and therefore their passport cannot be scanned. [/quote] A biometric passport (or indeed any biometric form of identity) is simply a more complex technical method of proving the person carrying the document is really the person to whom it belongs. Biometric documents carry one or more or either or: Iris Scans; Fingerprints; DNA etc. Most other passports carry various scannable data: Number; Photograph of registered holder; and various official numbers and codes. Photo Recognition software, now, is very accurate; and the photograph supplied on application is holographic on the document, which further adds to its security. See here: Now, what a true Biometric document does, is to prove beyond reasonable doubt, that the person holding the document is indisputably the person to whom it was issued; and that person is a real person, rather than a criminal who somehow managed to create a false identity, used to apply for the document in the first place. Such approach, however, would need rigorous background checks and tests. One method (now not possible) in applying for a false passport, was to search for a child of similar birthdate of the fraudster, where the child died or was killed say in an accident. Then apply for a duplicate birth certificate; and employ this (and an accommodation address) for a passport application. Anyway, since the Border Agency staff, scan all passports, each and every time, then what's the point of an APN?

[quote user="cajal"] Oh dear. Have I stolen your thunder?  And I suppose your knowledge is all cranium based?[/quote] Amazing! Have you not realised, ALL "Knowledge" tends to be lodged in the brain? Where did you think it resided? In your.........I won't finish that, as it is really far too obvious to state. [Www]

You have proven a point, cajal; probably with some assistance from Google! [:P] However, Ad hominem attacks are most unpleasant and totally unnecessary. [:(]

Oooh! A Flame War! At le weekend too! [url=http://cool-smileys.com//smiley-shouting-flame-war][img]http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/244.gif[/img][/url] Point of fact I have sympathy with both of your perspectives. Personally, I do follow French politics: indeed, when in la belle, Mrs Gluey and I only have French TV and follow les journals. Also, of course, being interested and following global politics (my core reason is Political Economy), I speculate on most Western (and some) non-Western nation states. Simple fact; today, a majority are more concerned with trivia, than politics: and cannot even name prominent ministers of state. Simple fact two: far too many Brits, decide to migrate to France, Spain, Cyprus, wherever, on a sort of whim and rose tinted lunettes and fail, to carry out much primary research. And whine post facto when their dream goes pearshaped... Brexit whingeing is invariably rooted in personal selfish concerns. Certainly is amongst the big biz exploiting lot; those who engaged in Project Fear, particularly. So sadly, a few years back I lost a dear friend; totally bi-lingual and originally, a British lawyer, who loved France. At over 60 years of age he studied and became an Avocat, serving the Boulogne bar as a criminal defence lawyer. His knowledge of French politics was encyclopaedic; I would dearly love to discuss this most interesting situation and ramifications with him today.

Interested to see how you progress, Chancer. On a recent occasion, I did indeed complete the APN online; yet, apparently, it failed to work... Now I print it off each journey. As a Frequent Traveller, one might have thought Eurotunnel with all their wondrous IT systems, might be able to correlate name and address etc and use the extant APN for a one off booking. But nope! Mrs Gluey and I pitched up at check in, last year and big problems... had to go to the terminal and go through the whole damned process once more. Oh, and missed our shuttle. We are also booked for the cheapo one day and apparently, if you miss the booked return, smacked wrist time and they will indeed bill your card for the missed return. Bit like a multi-storey car park. Lose your billet and you are smacked with one whole day. Interested to see what transpires... Andy and Chancer: OK, correction accepted. Then, clearly the APN must apply to the first leg only. Which, since they clock one's passport/s on their screen each and every time (watched them do this and scan the thing) why bother with the APN? Thus if Chancer fails to arrive for his booked crossing, alarms bells will ring... [:D] Surely, the bureaucracy of Border Agency and Home Office hopefully communicate with the Security Agency (MI5) in identifying people who pose a security risk to both nations: who then communicate via the intel networks and Interpol? Had not visited the port areas for a long time, until Mrs G and I ran a friend who had been staying with us back  for a ferry home, last year. Reminded me of pictures of Colditz. Eurotunnel is now similar. [quote]funny to see the contractors working on it after the camp had been cleared   It has got as far as the camp from the ferry terminal but there remains another 2/3 to complete, given that the UK are paying for it I guess that it will continue or the contractors will be compensated, a real shame because it is really ugly and stops the sea view and now for the first time you can see the sand dunes again. A monumental waste of money given Hollandes U turn, does anyone know what they are going to do with the shipping container accmodation? I would be interested in a few of them.[/quote] Well illegal migrants are still flooding in; droves of them. Camping all over the immediate quiet spots, waiting to jump onto a truck next to the A16 and the A26, apparently; particularly, parking spots where truck drivers pull over and park up if they are out of hours on their tachograph.

That, surely, Norman, is a job for France. The APN regime, let's face it, has dismally failed to keep British known anarchists, Open Borders activists and the rest of the unwashed lefty-liberal rabble of pretend students from commuting backwards and forwards to the Jungle in Calais, fomenting trouble and riots. France itself has dismally failed to keep illegal migrants from repeatedly trying, illegally, to break into cross-channel ro-ro lorries and cause damage and harm to vehicles (including tourists and their cars), French property, fences and barriers in particular and become a blight upon the honest burghers of Calais. Now, the French authorities have cleared the Jungle; and many of the illegals have bomburst outwards into Northern France. Many have even reached Paris and set-up camps there.