Rose Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 I've just seen this link on a friends Facebook page... poppy protest - What do you all think? How do you imagine this kind of protext would be handled in France? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 The snag with these things is that if we condemn them outright, then we become the very people with whom we have a dispute. Happily, what separates the civilised from the less so is our ability to allow extremist views to be aired whilst still being fundamentally opposed to them. Until they actually cause harm to a person then they are entitled to their idiot views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardengirl Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 I'm very surprised they were allowed to do this by any people nearby. I'd have liked to have been nearby with my hosepipe to rain on their parade. I think sometimes we allow too much free speech in UK when things like this go on.I was very proud to wear my poppy at the town war memorial this morning; the first time we've been at our French home on this date, as we're normally in UK for birthday celebrations of one of the family. It was very interesting to see and hear what went on; a parade of the French Foreign Legion (from their barracks at nearby Nimes), who also provided the trumpeter; fireman carried some of the flags; a huge number of names read out for each of the years of the Great War. It was pleasant that an apero was offered at the mairie afterwards; an old couple standing near us (13 great grand children!) were very keen that we joined them for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just john Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 I'm not sure, but I'd say a lot of young virgin soldiers died fighting for others freedom, including these people, I'd go further to say that they would be dead or in jail now if they had carried out these protests in some countries, Iran for example. Imagine if Na2i germany had succeeded, where would these people be now? Certainly not here.A poppy is just a symbol of the young mens blood spilled, in quite a lot of cases, all their blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braco Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Since you ask I see it as the UK swastika badge and as such boycott it.To me it has no merit other than perpetuating the military myth and allowing leaders to manipulate the population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 What is the 'the military myth' ? ( I know I'm going to regret asking)FWIW I had just parked my car when the 11.00 chimes were played on the radio, so I stayed in my car ( probably best as we buried my father on the 11th of November 14 years ago and I preferred to be alone with my thoughts) but as I walked toward the shops a crowd of people came out of the British Legion, even grown men had moist eyes.......some of them I've 'known' (as in seen them around, passed the time of day) for years....I had quite a lump in my throat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 repeat edited out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 [quote user="Braco"]Since you ask I see it as the UK swastika badge and as such boycott it. To me it has no merit other than perpetuating the military myth and allowing leaders to manipulate the population.[/quote]Braco, people died for you to hold such obnoxious views. Thank them and remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braco Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 [quote user="woolybanana"]Braco, you should thank your lucky stars that such brave people have been prepared to die for you to have the right to say that, and remember and thank them![/quote] Hook, line and sinker - it is only cowards and sheep that think that their freedom comes at the end of a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Tell that to those who have been occupied or sent to the concentration camps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braco Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 [quote user="Russethouse"] What is the 'the military myth' ? ( I know I'm going to regret asking)FWIW I had just parked my car when the 11.00 chimes were played on the radio, so I stayed in my car ( probably best as we buried my father on the 11th of November 14 years ago and I preferred to be alone with my thoughts) but as I walked toward the shops a crowd of people came out of the British Legion, even grown men had moist eyes.......some of them I've 'known' (as in seen them around, passed the time of day) for years....I had quite a lump in my throat....[/quote] That they serve freedom and liberty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braco Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 [quote user="woolybanana"]Tell that to those who have been occupied or sent to the concentration camps![/quote] I do not need to tell the good people of Afganistan they already know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 So your views are essentially anti-Western, selectvie not comprehensive then. Another crypto fascist in the making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoddy Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 I wonder if you have any idea how offensive your ideas are to many thousands of people like me Braco ? Members of my family served in both the WW1 & 11. They didn't volunteer they were conscripts. Those of them who came back settled into civilian life and didn't talk much about their experiences. I wear mine for family reasons as much as any patriotic ideals. I am quite sure I'm not alone.Hoddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just john Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 lest we forgetHERE DEAD WE LIEHere dead we lie Because we did not choose To live and shame the land From which we sprung. Life, to be sure, Is nothing much to lose, But young men think it is, And we were young. A E Housman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 So what do you think we should have done, just let Hitler invade ? Or are you picky which wars you think worth remembering ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 [quote user="Braco"]Since you ask I see it as the UK swastika badge and as such boycott it.To me it has no merit other than perpetuating the military myth and allowing leaders to manipulate the population.[/quote]Stupid comment Braco and deeply offensive to a lot of people.Perhaps best to keep your silly views to yourself or, even better perhaps, just F*** OFF.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braco Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 [quote user="woolybanana"]So your views are essentially anti-Western, selectvie not comprehensive then. Another crypto fascist in the making?[/quote] So anyone who dares to think must be a crypto fascist? We should all tow the party line? That is exactly the thinking that allowed an Austrian Corporal to assume power and a modern day scum bag to persuade a nation to support our glorious troops in killing the Taliban or in ‘English’ Afghanistan citizens. You do not show your disgust of Nazis by copying their traits and actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 No, it is what appears to be your one-sided views that is the problem. You are mouthing the views of just another caste. Your intolerance is exactly the same as the kid who chucked the fire extinguisher at the copper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Some of us, in fact the majority 'think' that to honour those that gave their lives, or their youth on our behalves is fitting..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickP Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Personally I find this half wit braco totally objectionable; in his attitude to the soldiers of our country who gave their lives to allow the likes of him to spew his bile publicly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just john Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Al-Qa'ida, is a militant Islamist group It operates both a multinational, stateless army and a radical Sunni Muslim movement calling for global Jihad. Most of the world considers it a terrorist organization.Al-Qaeda has attacked civilian and military targets in various countries, The U.S. government responded by launching the War on Terror.Al-Qaeda ideologies envision a complete break from the foreign influences in Muslim countries, and the creation of a new Islamic caliphate. Reported beliefs include that the killing of bystanders and civilians is religiously justified in jihad.Anyone who supports these aims surely doesn't expect to go unchallenged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 This evening, I have been to a meeting and a formal dinner where we raised over £1,500 for the Help the Heroes fund.Earlier on, we all stood and observed another one minute silence to remember. And then a full nine-note cavalry bugler played the full rendition of the Last Post.............................Perhaps this time, on this occasion when I suggest Britain has been and is utterly mad to willy nilly allow militant Muslims refuge and to behave in such a fashion and that they should be forcibly thrown out, it will not be suggested I am a racist and various other pejorative labels.Compassion and tolerance are one thing: however, abusing a host's kindness and civic freedom in such a deeply insulting and objectionable fashion is for me, a bridge too far; far too far.............[:@] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyF Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 [quote user="Braco"] So anyone who dares to think must be a crypto fascist? We should all tow the party line? That is exactly the thinking that allowed an Austrian Corporal to assume power and a modern day scum bag to persuade a nation to support our glorious troops in killing the Taliban or in ‘English’ Afghanistan citizens. You do not show your disgust of Nazis by copying their traits and actions.[/quote]I doubt the Taliban hesitate much before killing their fellow Afghans, Braco. To liken our troops' actions to those of the Nazis is deeply offensive and historically just plain ignorant. It's lucky for you that you live in a society whcih allows you to express opinions with which most people would profoundly disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessie Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Gluestick - support your comments 100 per cent. As for 'braco' - just ignore....I think Mummy will be turning up soon to change his nappies - there's a horrible pong here somewhere....Chessie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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