Limoges Broconte

[Lee&Nik]

my wife and i searched for the broconte in SW Limoges, i think its run by monks and near the river?  we did find what we thought was it bit it looked deserted?

can anyone throw some light?

also why are the second hand Brocontes sooooo expensive? are they priced for rich second home owners from abroad??

[Russethouse]

Do you mead Emmaus :

Moulin de la Ribiere
Saint Priest Taurion
87480
05 55 39 74 40

It may not be open every day.

Brocantes are variable price wise, but owners have cotisations to pay whether or not they sell anything

[cowoman]

Have you looked here?I havnt been but some of the stuff looks ok for the money.Has anyone been to have a look?

   http://www.troc.com/fr/pid36-prid4414340-metier-a-tisser.html

 

[Rob Roy]

I think, but not sure, that Emmaus at St Priest Taurion open at 2.00 pm on most week days, but all day on Saturdays.

[Lee&Nik]

yes Russethouse i realize that as i too have a buisness, but if your not selling stock due to it being way over priced then maybe you shouldnt be in buisness in the first instance??   wouldnt you agree?

 

[Russethouse]

Having been in that business in the UK I was usually happy to discount items that were not selling. French dealers think very differently, however what is true is that buyers always think you are charging too much and sellers think you are not offering them enough.

By whose measure are things over priced ? Are the items on commision ? There are too many variables to judge.

And of course there is always the old maxim 'if you want to sell something, put the price up' [:)]

You could always make a reasonable offer...

[Lee&Nik]

im sorry i just cant swallow that, im sure the brocontes cant have many local middle class customers, i have done a comparison between them and traders selling brand new items and i must say there very little difference in price, in the UK if you go to a second hand shop/ flea market you are looking at a great saving compared with purchasing new items.

a friend of mine who has been in France for quite some years told me its remarkable how the second hand market and goods do hold their prices.

so again my question is.... why are second hand goods so expensive??

it was the case 5 years ago you could pick up lots of bargains. most are not antique shops they are selling items from clearances and old white goods!

variables? I dont think so, if you buy a sofa for 200 Euro which is worn musty and stained you don’t go pricing along with new goods at 500-800 Euros? its astonishing! trade 1o1, that’s why chic arty farty shops in the UK go out of business, they out price themselves and go belly up! even more so now with a huge recession cloud over Europe

i dont mean to dissagree with you Russethouse but im looking for a reason why? someone must have a clue? maybe im looking in the wrong place? i dont know? this is why im asking.

[Russethouse]

If you have found the brocantes you are looking at too expensive the answer is easy - take your trade elsewhere.

Just for starters are you certain what you are looking at is just 'second hand'? Are you an Antiques and Collectibles expert ? Do you KNOW if the goods are being sold on commission or have been bought in to sell by a dealer ?

Have you made reasonable offers ?

Could it be the frame of the old sofa you are looking at is worth more than fully upholstered sofa from the local budget shop?

There are so many variables in the trade it's very difficult to say. When you trade in the UK you pay tax on your actual profits,often a year in arrears, when you trade in France they take a guess at your level of business and you pay  charges based on that, pretty much come hell or high water...it takes a long time to get it altered. That doesn't encourage dealers to cut prices very much.

im sure the brocontes cant have many local middle class customers - why not ?

i have done a comparison between them and traders selling brand new items and i must say there very little difference in price, in the UK if you go to a second hand shop/ flea market you are looking at a great saving compared with purchasing new items.  You are not comparing eggs with eggs and in any case the only question should be: how much is it worth to me?

most are not antique shops they are selling items from clearances and old white goods! How do you know where they come from, or what was paid ? BTW Not many people selling second white goods in the UK, the regulations are too tight unless you are selling privately

[Lee&Nik]

Russethouse please i dont intend to rival your 9000 odd posts but when you walk into a old converted hall/barn full of items from house clearances which are clearly not antiques but just damaged, unatractive or worn out items which would possibly restore but in the UK would be bric a brac!!! plain and simple which you dont need to be an expert on!,  and yes these places are called Brocontes?

Please there are reems of second hand white shops in the UK, i was chatting to one such shop owner the other day. nearly every high street has one.

i didnt want to get on my soap box or argue i just wanted a viable answer as to why?  please dont answer if you have'nt one. please.  what is it with some on this forum?

 

[Russethouse]

what is it with some on this forum?

You tell me, I was only in the trade for 15 years and used to come and buy from brocantes - lots.(and made a good profit at it too)  I still do on occaision, in addition I know several French dealers, but hey, what do I know ?

 I have given you several reasons, none of which you seem willing or able to accept.

As for white goods, yes there are second hand places that specialise but you are unlikely to see many taking the risk in general second stores, for a start all second hand white goods are supposed to be tested and so marked. In order to test eletrical goods you have to go to college and pass a certificate. Many auctions have stopped selling them and charity shops often will not take them or dump them straight away. For many general/jobbing traders it is just not viable. Same with some uphostery, it either has to be antique or have its correct certification.

What would you like me to say - all French brocante ownes are greedy and overpriced ?

 

[Lee&Nik]

oh my god! please read the threads of this topic carefully and explain when and how i have managed to receive this attack from yourself? i asked for answers to my question, very simple but you seem to write excuses and wont except debate without being abrubt, i understand the Antique market and again i say they are not selling ANTIQUES but worn out run of the mill goods! and its these ive been commenting on!

maybe im reading your threads wrong , i just wanted advice and debate but your replies seem hostile and very defensive, you obviously take things personally.

well done for all you accolades’ you must be quite well off, and im sure your a wealth of knowledge, I bow down.

[Russethouse]

You asked a question and having some experience and knowledge I answered, you refuse to accept any of the reasons I have suggested.

I don't need to be defensive, I'm not in the second hand/antiques/collectibles trade at present, one reason being that it has been in the doldrums, however in a recession it may prosper once more.

Asking you questions isn't aggressive and I have given you advice, if you don't like the prices or the stock in the brocantes you visit, go somewhere else. What is there to debate ? A brocantes want a price you don't want to pay it, make an offer if you are interested in a piece, who knows, you may be able to strike a deal. If all the brocantes you visit are too expensive maybe it's your ideas of price that are out of step. Just plain old logic.

But, it's like any other trade, it all looks easy and 'any fool can do it', from the outside, I'm pointing out some of the other factors you may not have taken into account.

PS When and if I attack you, you'll know, believe me, this isn't an attack, I can be far more scary !![:D][:D]

[Lee&Nik]

Thanks for the apology much Appreciated maybe i judged you to quick. [kiss]