there is a distinct difrence between a dog owner and a dog lover.. many of the replies prove this point.it would seem that many have never heard of patience understanding and TRAINING. now im no expert or dog psycologist, but using just these three things and a little of my time i have managed to turn two of the meanest daftest creatures god created into adorable loving companions.. i got 2 dogs from a rescue home and within hours they turned my beautiful garden into a replica of the somme, they chased, chickens, sheep, la poste and cyclists, they were brought home from nearly 20 miles away. they barked, bit, snarled and messed any where and every where.........8 months later.. no electric fences. no stupid collars or other demonic torture methods, they are the perfect companions. they sit out side the house and wag there tails as the cyclists they used to terrorise stop to pet them. madam la poste brings them treats, we walk for miles through town and country off lead... and the chickens chase them round the gasrden...all done with patience, understanding, training and a little time, and if you aint got the time, you shouldnt have a dog in the first place...i firmly believe the old saying "theres no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners" .. i1 nice honest reply...babnik.. put the collars on the owners too..