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Hello - Yes I did go along to a meeting with the conciliator de justice on 10th May 2012. The meeting was pleasant enough, it took the form of myself and the conciliator along with my translator sat in a private room at the Hotel de Ville. I was given a chance to explain why I was using my garden wall for the storage of some pieces of iron which so upset my neighbour. I found the conciliator to be attentive and although we managed to make certain that I was breaking no laws no reconciliation was achieved. My neighbour is considering building a wall to hide the iron pieces as I cannot presently remove them and I was able to make it clear that I had no objection to this. The conciliator made a visit to my neighbour's property to view the "eyesores" for himself and it was reported back to me, through my translator, that my neighbour had been advised not put a fence or wall there because it would interfere with various access' held by myself and other neighbours. As you will know from my latest posting there have been developments with the behavoir of this particular neighbour and I think/hope that this affair will just die away now, naturally in the goodness of time the iron pieces will be reused and/or removed. I thought that the service of mediation with the conciliator was very good . It is offered free of charge and I feel that it could avert/diffuse lots of serious problems that occur between neighbours.

Hello to all who were interested enough to offer advice/support etc. over my worries concerning my neighbour. A situation was made known to me that the neighbour concerned was making complaints about someone else. This time regarding some ivy growing against a neighbouring barn. A gaz torch was borrowed by the original neighbour who has been giving me grief and he then burnt (not intentionally I'm sure) the ivy and 3 barns to the ground. I think it will now take an army of conciliators to reconcile this person with all of his other neighbours, and I feel a little vindicated.

thought one car had to carry two testers whatever?

I also cannot find the "required" breath testers, what a farce! Anybody have any ideas? - Oh and please do not suggest a web site called "ethylotest- gratuit.org". I do not drink at all and yet still have to have these efforts in the car and as far as business opportunity goes then I can only assume that someone has already made a killing or they certainly will when the fines become operational, and then I'll bet the shops will be full of extremely overpriced test kits.

"All right now" IOW 1970 Thanks for the memory

Is it possible that France are a little behind in the internet revolution? Maybe due to their long term use of minitel? The only outcome is what you have said - nothing for nothing. Hard but true.

I would like to warn any prospective users of this web site www.ethylotest-gratuit.org to read the advertisement very very carefully, their banners and web sites are vand could cost you ery misleading dear. If I knew how and to whom to make a complaint then I would but my investigations bring forth no joy.

Hello Russethouse Yes this could indeed be the case, not only have my neighbours possibly been mislead by previous owners but it is also possible that the notaires have been a little careless. I think that we are easy prey for them to take out their frustration on - but hey! that's life. Regards Charnizay

Hello Pachapapa  -  I have not ever appeared before a judge at any stage, I am sure that my neighbour has initiated this attempt at a reconcliation. (Well, I hope so). I think that I can confirm that the conciliateur de justice is there to avoid this paltry affair from escalating. I have learned that what the person known as NormanH has said is correct, although I will soon find out because I am to see the conciliateur on 10th May. Regards Charnizay

To Keni  -  HI :) My neighbours have only been in their house for 4/5 years and are away for long periods in Nepal/South America et al. We have had our house for 9 years now, there was no established use of this land other than by ourselves and other visitors who used it. Our Maire is a very nice man and runs a good ship. Thanks for your wishes, I would not wish this sort of thing on anyone. Regards Charnizay

"Surely some revelation is at hand " I have very much appreciated your posts Regards Charnizay

To both Idun and Chancer I have made a "dossier" with photos and I am going to try and state my case that my neighbours have been quite un-neighbourly but I have had enough, I will remove the iron after the meeting which I am sure will be interesting. My next move is to see an immoblier, I know the market is slow but I'm outta here :) Thanks again Charnizay

Many thanks to everyone for replies to my posts concerning a dispute about the storage of iron pieces. I attempted to write in French to the conciliateur, got a reply from him and have agreed to meet on a one to one basis. I have also found a translator for this meeting. It appears that there is no actual land dispute presently but we are invited to this meeting to be persuaded into being good neighbours. I guess this will take the form of the conciliateur asking on behalf of my neighbours for us to remove the iron because they find it unattractive. I would like to say that I have found the forum to be very useful and at times comforting, if that is the right word. Thanks to all - regards Charnizay

Hello Idun  -  I am sure that my neighbour now has accepted that the piece of land does belong to us. We asked by a letter recommande for him to vacate the land, take up his plants, and leave it clear for us, we allowed him 6 months to do this so that he could reap the tomatoes etc., at this point there did not appear to be a problem, we even had a meeting with them and agreed a limit line so that he could build a fence to separate his land from ours. I cannot think why he has taken this extreme action of involving a court and I feel that to employ a geometre expert and a translator would further punish me in the worst possible way, i.e. in my pocket. I have tried to contact their notaire and also the succesor to my notaire but cannot get them to answer me let alone give me information, I am convinced that they are not interested. I guess that my neighbours simply do not like the way my nose grows and that I will just have to allow what will happen to happen, sadly. I do not expect that the conciliator will write to me in English but as translations are always offered for official documentation in England then I felt that I could at least ask for help. Regards Charnizay

Sorry Pachapapa :)

Hello Papachapa - Yes  - the metal pieces are stored within the land as you have stated. Regards Charnizay

Hello Chancer  -  The iron pieces are stored against my wall but they are open to view to my neighbour when he walks past them, they cannot be seen from his house, the pieces in question are flat against the wall, secure and in a straight line. They comprise of some old metal shutters and stairs, we want to keep them for future use as we are restoring our house we hope in a sympathetic manner, you must believe me when I say that in no way can they possibly resemble a scrap metal yard.[:)]. There will not ever be any more metal put there but it may be some time before we clear the area. We have had a lot of complaints made against us by this particular neighbour, he doesn't appear to like us for the following reasons:- 1) We obtained planning permission to build a terrace to the rear of our property which he did not like and he made various complaints although he did not make an official objection?? 2) We sent him a lettre recommande last summer asking him to vacate our piece of land, which he had falsely claimed and planted up, and to remove his plants by December which enraged him greatly, although he did remove his plants. 3) He has made a false claim to the piece of land which we are using to store the metal pieces, we asked him to show proof of his ownership but he seems unable or unwilling to do this, the plan cadastral shows our ownership clearly. 4) Despite talking to him and having meetings at the Mairie we still endure the complaining and I suspect that it is on the Maire's advice that he has contacted this tribunal. I have very poor French so going to meetings without translating help is of no use. I simply cannot sit in a corner, as it were, not being able to understand what is being said, I have basic French but fail to understand the details and I am slow. 5) I have written to the conciliator asking for help in English and also tried to explain my point of view. You have been lucky to have solved your problems concerning tennis courts etc. I wish you more luck should any more problems occur. Thank you for taking the trouble to post on my problem, I hope my post is not too boring. Regards Charnizay

Hello and thank you for reply and advice. I have made contact with the conciliator (today, I only arrived here yesterday and found the letter) and asked for English correspondence and also tried to explain what the storage is about. I will have to wait and see what he comes back with.  I do have legal cover on my house insurance, but I feel that the complaint is so paltry that I have not yet considered using it, but.......... My local Mairie knows all about this concern as we were visited by the Mairie last December who was happy to accept our explanation as to the temporary nature of the storage. This is the 5th time that our neighbours have complained against us - not always for the same thing, every time we are here in France it seems as if they dream up something else, they do not like us. The pieces of iron in question are stored securely on our own land - this is very strange. Thanks anyway.

Hello and thank you for your reply and the info. Am I liable to pay for the translator or can one be provided by the state/dept?

Hello  -  Can anyone shed light on what a letter might mean that I received from "le conciliator de justice" who is acting on behalf of my neighbours who have complained that I have put some pieces of metal against the wall of my shed, on my own land and stored securely and temporarily. I do not know how to proceed. I also would like to know if it is possible to ask formnally for an unbiased and capable translator as my French does not extend to something as seemingly serious as this. Any comments will be gratefully received, thanks in advance, Regards Charnizay

Currency Fair  -  Why did I not belong to this admirable organisation before  -  found it very good and Euro3 per transfer:)

Does anyone know how I can find my "numero fiscale"? I need it to pay my fonciere and tv licence online and I have no references with me.

Hello - I would like to say "you're a star" thanks and cheers. Regards Charnizay

Pachapapa!  -  I am sorry that I overreacted to your first post. Many thanks for taking the trouble to reply whatever the case. I do have a new wall problem but in the same house and with the same neighbours. I apologise for my mistake re:"mur" - I will stay with English now. Regards Charnizay

How rude you are  -  I really am terribly sorry - Charnizay