just john Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 [quote user="sweet 17"] You don't half talk utter tosh sometimes, Wools. Not only that, you talk sexist, belittling tosh.....[:'(] [/quote]Bad day today Sweet? Go on, Smile, (Parcel's here,) [:)] (see below, for sweet and especially for Wools)[6][quote user="NickP"] Sweet 17 wrote: Like saying that the men on the Forum prefer Mrs Thatcher because she is blonde and has blue eyes!Sweet, anybody who thinks that Mrs Thatcher is attractive really should go to spec savers [:D][/quote]Several have NickP, as for myself, well if it came to a choice between Margaret & Tony . . . .[:)]Alan Clark admitted finding Margaret Thatcher "attractive" but added: "I didn't want to jump on her." Alan B'stard and Fullmetal Camiknickers Comic Relief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Come on Wolly ..give the man some credit .......he invented this .http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23530351-his-safest-seat-yet-inventor-tony-benn-at-83-has-found-a-way-to-sit-wherever-he-wants.do.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Well If I am half as fit as he looks when I am 83 I will be quite happy, even at my age now I had half his marbles and quick thinking I would be ecstatic.Even if you dont agree with his politics you have to admire his tenacity, courage of conviction and strength in the face of adversity, I am referring to him losing his wife.P.S. Edwina Curry still makes me weak at the knees [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissie Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Would you blame somebody for being born in a poor family? I certainly wouln't. So why should you automatically 'blame' or dismiss anybody born into a rich one? Benn, and so many others like him, didn't ask to be born into privilege. They used their excellent education and influence to try and help others, and stop people being allowed to 'rule' others just because of their birth (hereditary peers for instance). He devoted his life to try and give others better chances in life - etc - instead of using his privileged background to exploit and abuse others, as many fathers or fore-fathers in his class had done, both in the UK and in the Colonies. To blame somebody for the wealth of their family is just as bad IMHO as blaming them for being born poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just john Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Ideals are one thing, reality is another, I admire somethings he achieved, (a doomed attempt at a co-operative in Meridian for example). The reality is that a social government, as the last have proved, are unstainable from the country's purse. Eg. cost of current DHS, then (This will not affect the pound in your pocket - Wilson) and now; We don't need fantasists, something achievable and affordable please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Patronising they may have been but without the Wilberforces, the Dr Barnados, the Robert Owens (and that's just three who come to mind as I type this - the list is endless) life would have been far worse for the less fortunate for far longer. Can we afford to dismiss people who have ideals just because they come from the privileged classes? Are raging tories not allowed to be working class either? What bunk, if I may respectfully say so.I admire this nutter because he has never strayed from his principals. Unlike the Newlab lot who have highjacked the party of which I was once a proud member, he has never kept his gob shut on issues he felt strongly about just to court votes. Pipe and mug of tea my backside - how superficial do you think we are?JJ (you posted as I was doing so) : whilst I know what you mean, I'm not convinced that pragmatic, middle of the road policies are all they're cracked up to be either. Too often the little compromise here, and the vote-catching tweak there, destroy any chance that things truly get changed for the better. I realise (as I'm sure Mr B does too) that you can't achieve your ideal in politics - but that's not what ideals are for - they are an aim, a belief system, something to strive for. At least he has some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just john Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 [quote user="cooperlola"] A Wilberforces, the Dr Barnados, the Robert Owens B Pipe and mug of tea my backside - how superficial do you think we are?C I realise that you can't achieve your ideal in politics - but that's not what ideals are for - they are something to strive for. [/quote]A I'm with you Coops really, if they are capable of achieving their aims. Wiberforce was no longer in politics when he successfully campaigned against the slave Trade. Barnado set up his homes himself and found a charitable banker to bankroll him. Robert Owen took Arkwright mill and made it a commercial success to fund his philanthropy, Likewise Cadbury, philanthropy including providing a workforce pension from a successful commercial enterprise.B Whatever it takes to lighten up some topics here the better, I have no time for the slanging matches or abuse on here, much rather a jokey shallower look at some of the pipe dreams. [;-)][Www][8-|]C Granted, but not Politicians who lose grip of what is achievable and what consequences they have for the future. Cuts that follow to peoples care, education and pensions because of injudicious and capricious overspending beforehand can never satisfy ideals and may curtail them for a generation.[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 [quote user="Swissie"]Would you blame somebody for being born in a poor family? I certainly wouln't. So why should you automatically 'blame' or dismiss anybody born into a rich one? Benn, and so many others like him, didn't ask to be born into privilege. They used their excellent education and influence to try and help others, and stop people being allowed to 'rule' others just because of their birth (hereditary peers for instance). He devoted his life to try and give others better chances in life - etc - instead of using his privileged background to exploit and abuse others, as many fathers or fore-fathers in his class had done, both in the UK and in the Colonies. To blame somebody for the wealth of their family is just as bad IMHO as blaming them for being born poor. [/quote]I have to be quick as I am working but....A socialist government who raided working peoples pensions (more than once) yet tells them to save for their old age.A government that drives a country in to the worst recession ever which results in the interest rates collapsing and old people who only got a pittance in their state pension increase and relied on the interest from their savings to prop up their state pension end up having to use the capital because they are not getting the interest they once did.A government that did away with the 10p tax rate which previously helped those on low incomes with the result that their annual tax bill more than doubled.These are not the normal actions of a proper socialist government dedicated to protecting the poor and most vulnerable. Perhaps if they had a more working class background they may have thought a bit harder and longer before they did these things and more.Right back to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Sorry, Quillan, but New Labout were not then, are not now and will never be, Socialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissie Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 I can't remember the exact words, but tony Benn said something like 'the Labour Party was never a socialist party, some members just are socialists. Same as Christianity, some members are Christians'.I wonder how many, when inheriting a Seat in the Lords would have done everything to change the Law, so that he could sit in the Commons (as an elected member of course) - and having succeeded, renounce his seat in the Lords. It seems to me that what was wrong of Brown was to trust the Bankers to do what was best for them AND the country. How many of those bankers which have taken us almost into oblivion were labour voters, I'd like to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just john Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Get real! Bankers didn't set up a benefit system to create this Thousands-earning-more-in-benefits-than-average-wage [:-))] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 [quote user="Swissie"]Would you blame somebody for being born in a poor family? I certainly wouln't. So why should you automatically 'blame' or dismiss anybody born into a rich one? Benn, and so many others like him, didn't ask to be born into privilege. They used their excellent education and influence to try and help others, and stop people being allowed to 'rule' others just because of their birth (hereditary peers for instance). He devoted his life to try and give others better chances in life - etc - instead of using his privileged background to exploit and abuse others, as many fathers or fore-fathers in his class had done, both in the UK and in the Colonies. To blame somebody for the wealth of their family is just as bad IMHO as blaming them for being born poor. [/quote]I totally agree, Swissie. And, anyway, it doesn't matter what class or background someone comes from; it's what they do with it that counts.Now I'm in anti-monarchist mode so if someone thinks the queen is wonderful (actually, I quite like her as well) look away now. My objection to the royal family is that they don't do more. And I DON'T count the Prince of Wales' witterings about architecture or his supposedly fantastic Prince's Trust. They are as pathetic as the man himself.I mean real work and not just lip service, putting their money where their mouths are, making things like disability more acceptable by not hiding away their own less than perfect family members, etc.There, as JJ has wondered, I AM having a very bad day and am in very grumpy mood but I think I shall wake up tomorrow and STILL not regret what I have said on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 JJ You forgot to add in there Wedgewood of pottery fame, I believe he was something to do and quite high up with anti slavery and also looked after his workers along the same line as Cadbury's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just john Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 No, just trying to move on to these guys dinner-that-cost-Bill-Gates-Warren-Buffett-and-others-billions. , that is people doing real good works with their own money, after they have made it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissie Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Some people make money out of greed. The Quakers and others made money to provide for people who didn't have the resources to do so for themselves. One of my neighbours was one of the Cadbury's, an amazing woman. Yes, it is wonderful when people use their brains and everything they have got to serve their community, as they did- and without exploiting their workers, the colonies, other racial groups, etc. I know very few City bankers who can claim to have done this.Sweet, I am really sorry to hear you are having a ****** day - hope you feel better soon. xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Merci, ma chère Swissie. Tooth abscess on one side and broken tooth other side, grumpy as hell and can't eat anything though I had mash potatoes and scrambled eggs tonight.Rang round about 6 or 7 dentists before finding one who took pity on me and agreed to see me tomorrow.Forgot everyone in France is on holiday. Have left about 3 messages at 3 different dental surgeries.Swissie, help me to say: Thank you but I no longer need the appointment I requested because I have had my problem seen to. It was bad enough remembering that with reflexive verbs, one uses être instead of avoir and then I remembered that one says la dent and not ma dent because of the reflexive. I was only too glad I didn't have to write that instead of just saying it because then I would have had to remember to accord with the feminine!Je me suis casée la dent!There, that's how bad a day I have been having![:(] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 You poor thing, you.Hope it all gets sorted tomorrow.In the meantime, Mr. Bubbles says whisky will help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Does it have to be single malt or will blended do?[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Hi Sweet sorry about the tooth, hope you get it fixed soon.Small point it should be double "s"; se caser has a rather different meaning.[:)]Dont worry about the messages, the dental receptionist would phone you to confirm a rendez-vous; probably after the "rentrée", third week september. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Thanks, Pacha. I did mean casser of course. It was having to add the final "e" that did my head in eventually![:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted August 7, 2010 Author Share Posted August 7, 2010 Randy says to put a rope round it and pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 And you can tell Randy to................nah, best not say it on open Forum else I might get banned... forever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted August 7, 2010 Author Share Posted August 7, 2010 She has just chucked a chamber pot at me for waking her up. But don't worry, it was full of water as she uses it as a wine cooler, fills it with ice and a bottle of my best Chablis, then sips at it all night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissie Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 aarrgghhh you poor thing. Just in case, someting like : merci- je n'ai plus besoin d'un rendez-vous, car j'ai trouvé un autre dentiste qui pouvait me recevoir.Hope both teeth will be mended and painfree soon - ready to go off on your adventures. Better now then then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Thanks, Swissie. The drilling (and I don't mean as in marching in the army!) is due to start in about an hour.Will be glad to have that load off my mind. Now only the doctor, the phlebotomist and the coiffeuse to go and I shall be as ready as I will ever be!Must remember "j n'ai plus de.." I no longer have... I use "il n'ya plus de.." there is no longer any...But I don't think to use it with "je" as well.[:(]French always takes a dip in the summer when the class isn't running and I don't keep up my resolution to do a bit on my own! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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